What Is Grace?

[ChristB4us]

According to Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, so you are denying the truth of that verse. Jesus is the embodiment of God's word, so he is not a different way to the Father than by embodying God's word. God's word made flesh, so he is not a different way to the Father than God's word.

Reposted again;

Jeremiah 3131 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
So what was the law for? Did Paul really want the Gentiles to live as a Jew?
Galatians 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

God's law was never given as instructions for how to save ourselves or to make ourselves good by our efforts and will power, but rather obedience to God's law is the way to trust God under the New Covenant.

Under the Old Covenant, that was what the Jews were keeping the law for; to obtain salvation as in eternal life.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

So under the Old Covenant, it was on the Jews to obtain salvation by doing the works of the law but breaking that, is why the New Covenant has come for man had their chance and the Jews were the cream of the crop of humanity, and they have failed, and so it is now God's turn for why it is simply written that the just shall live by faith in Jesus Christ and all His words to us.

We are saved simply by believing in Him as our Saviour and we can follow Him when we trust him as our Good Shepherd to help us to do this. That is how we get to know Him & the power of His resurrection when we see ourselves following Him by faith from what we could not do by doing looking to ourselves in doing the best we can in keeping the law or even keeping His commandments which are higher than the works of the law in following Him.

Example; loving our enemies is not the norm as under the Old Covenant and many will find it hard to do; but we can look to Jesus Christ to help us to do this, even to forgive them when they are not asking for forgiveness because they know not what they do.

 

[makesends]

Grace is God’s life in us!
Jn 1:16-17 Christ is the source of all grace
All grace comes to us thru Mary and we are born again by her Lk 1:28 heb 4:16
Jn 10:10 life (grace) and life more abundantly
Jn 20:21-23 breathed life
Eph 2:1 quickend brought to life
2 pet 1:4 divine life
Thanks

Born again through Mary? Where is that in Scripture?

Ha! And on another site I'm told rather adamantly that no RC thinks of Mary that way. Not even close, they say.

 

[donadams]

Born again through Mary? Where is that in Scripture?

Ha! And on another site I'm told rather adamantly that no RC thinks of Mary that way. Not even close, they say.

Do all graces come thru Mary?

 

[ChristB4us]

Do all graces come thru Mary?

Can you share how you come to believe that since these scriptures do not teach it per your earlier quote below?

All grace comes to us thru Mary and we are born again by her Lk 1:28 heb 4:16

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

There is nothing in that verse that even suggests that grace came through Mary and that we are born again by her.

As for Hebrews 4:16, keep it in context because Mary is not mentioned here.

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Scripture does say where grace comes from and it is not from Mary nor through Mary.
Acts 15:11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Romans 3:24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 5:15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Romans 5:21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Corinthians 8:9For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Ephesians 2:7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

It is the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and that is how & where & by Whom grace comes to us.

 

[donadams]

Can you share how you come to believe that since these scriptures do not teach it per your earlier quote below?



Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

There is nothing in that verse that even suggests that grace came through Mary and that we are born again by her.

As for Hebrews 4:16, keep it in context because Mary is not mentioned here.

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Scripture does say where grace comes from and it is not from Mary nor through Mary.
Acts 15:11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Romans 3:24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 5:15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Romans 5:21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Corinthians 8:9For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Ephesians 2:7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

It is the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and that is how & where & by Whom grace comes to us.

Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Believe ye this?

 

[makesends]

Do all graces come thru Mary?

Do you answer all questions with questions? The only way any graces come through Mary is by virtue of the fact that Jesus was her offspring, and graces come by Jesus. Mary doesn't dispense nor grant graces.

 

[ChristB4us]

Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Believe ye this?

I do but that has nothing to do with Mary as if grace & truth came by Mary.

Let scripture tell you specifically where grace and truth comes from and that is from Jesus Christ.

 

[donadams]

All grace comes from Christ as the source, but all graces also come thru Mary vis Christ came thru Mary and cos Mary consented to our salvation! Amen

 

[ReverendRV]

All grace comes from Christ as the source, but all graces also come thru Mary vis Christ came thru Mary and cos Mary consented to our salvation! Amen

Did Christ consent to our Salvation?

 

[donadams]

Did Christ consent to our Salvation?

In scripture? Yes

 

[ReverendRV]

In scripture? Yes

Then why did Mary consent?

 

[makesends]

All grace comes from Christ as the source, but all graces also come thru Mary vis Christ came thru Mary and cos Mary consented to our salvation! Amen

Christ asked Mary for permission to save us???

 

[ChristB4us]

All grace comes from Christ as the source, but all graces also come thru Mary vis Christ came thru Mary and cos Mary consented to our salvation! Amen

Mary did not consented, but accepted that she was chosen and she did express her need for the Saviour also.

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

That means grace and truth came to Mary by Jesus Christ also.

 

[donadams]

Then why did Mary consent?

God required it to undo the consent of eve to the fall of man.
Thanks

 

[donadams]

Christ asked Mary for permission to save us???

Refer to #34

 

[donadams]

Mary did not consented, but accepted that she was chosen and she did express her need for the Saviour also.

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

That means grace and truth came to Mary by Jesus Christ also.

Yes of course!

But she does consent

Lk 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

 

[ReverendRV]

God required it to undo the consent of eve to the fall of man.
Thanks

If God requires consent from Mary, what does this do to his Aseity?

 

[Arial]

Yes of course!

But she does consent

Lk 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Do you think if she had said, "Thanks but no thanks." God would have gone looking for someone to consent? She wasn't consenting. She was expressing her trust through obedience.

 

[Arial]

All grace comes from Christ as the source, but all graces also come thru Mary vis Christ came thru Mary and cos Mary consented to our salvation! Amen

I am wondering how it is possible that God needs anyone's consent, ever, to do what He decrees to be done or what He intends to do?

 

[ChristB4us]

Yes of course!

But she does consent

Lk 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

I do not see that as consent but acknowledging and believing the word spoken to her from the Lord.