What ever happened to the Gospel

[donadams]

No bishop = no church
Saint Athanasius

Apostolic father, that means he
Was taught in person by the apostles who were taught in person by Christ!

Amen!

 

[Carbon]

How and to whom do you submit and obey?

To Christ of course.

 

[donadams]

To Christ of course.

How do you have union with Christ in a vacuum?

Christ and His church are one!
((Inseparable authority & unity))
Acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 eph 5:32 Isa 53:5 Jn 15:4-5 eph 5:24 Jn 20:21-23

With the keys of jurisdictional authority in peter and the apostles in a hierarchy of authority

 

[Carbon]

How do you have union with Christ in a vacuum?

Christ and His church are one!
((Inseparable authority & unity))
Acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 eph 5:32 Isa 53:5 Jn 15:4-5 eph 5:24 Jn 20:21-23

With the keys of jurisdictional authority in peter and the apostles in a hierarchy of authority

In a vacuum?
Does not Christ appoint teachers, pastors, etc...?

 

[donadams]

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

 

[donadams]

Christ is king
Christ is mediator
Christ is head of the church

All imply hierarchical authority

And one of the seven sacraments is holy orders

 

[Carbon]

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

What are you blabbing?
My pastor and elders rule. A problem don?

 

[Carbon]

Christ is king
Christ is mediator
Christ is head of the church

All imply hierarchical authority

And one of the seven sacraments is holy orders

You're trying to make a connection, I see that. But you cannot, there are just like evolution, too many missing links. Sorry

 

[donadams]

What are you blabbing?
My pastor and elders rule. A problem don?

Needs to be a bishop that’s the only official office in the church

 

[Carbon]

Needs to be a bishop that’s the only official office in the church

In the NT the terms bishop and elder are used interchangeably to refer to church overseers who are responsible for ruling, teaching, shepherding, and preparing God's people.

 

[Carbon]

In the NT the terms bishop and elder are used interchangeably to refer to church overseers who are responsible for ruling, teaching, shepherding, and preparing God's people.

@donadams
Hmm, sounds like a pastor to me.

 

[Alive]

How and to whom do you submit and obey?

The Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Eleanor]

How and to whom do you submit and obey?

My conscience, informed by the word of God and the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, not to mention the geat spiritual authors through the ages.

 

[Mr GLee]

How and to whom do you submit and obey?

Other than Christ in us ? He warns of those who say we do need dying mankind to teach us .

Will you obey Him?

1 John2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it (sola scriptural) hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[donadams]

You're trying to make a connection, I see that. But you cannot, there are just like evolution, too many missing links. Sorry

The Lord Jesus Christ.

How he ascended to heaven and appointed peter and the apostles to administer His kingdom

Obedience to them is obedience to Christ the king

He says so!

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[donadams]

My conscience, informed by the word of God and the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, not to mention the geat spiritual authors through the ages.

Explain heb 13 please

 

[donadams]

Other than Christ in us ? He warns of those who say we do need dying mankind to teach us .

Will you obey Him?

1 John2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it (sola scriptural) hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

He warns against himself?
Matt 28:19 commanded to teach us

 

[Mr GLee]

He warns against himself?
Matt 28:19 commanded to teach us

My wife sends me out as her apostle sent messenger on a mission to the Supermarket with a writen list not to add or subtract from. Upon returning receiving the apostles reward. . two home made peanut butters cookies and a glass of milk .

We can preach he alone in the one good teaching master.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Baptize with the water of the word doctrine that fall like rain. not inspired from Rome. or Salt lake City

Ok the living word of God lovingly commands. . Go ye therefore to those born again . Will you obey the living abiding word or is dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart a bunch of sola scriptura nonsense?????

Hebrews4: 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

What do you think he thinks can he come through on his promise today ? Who sent you today?

 

[Eleanor]

Explain heb 13 please

Heb 13 is rules for Chistian living.

Do you want any particular one explained?

I will comment on the nature of the sacrifices we are to offer, they are spiritual; e.g., the fruit of our lips; i.e., praise.

And on "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority." (Heb 13:17)
This is respect for authority, orderliness and discipline in the church, but not of the kind referred to in 3 Jn 9-10.

 

[donadams]

My wife sends me out as her apostle sent messenger on a mission to the Supermarket with a writen list not to add or subtract from. Upon returning receiving the apostles reward. . two home made peanut butters cookies and a glass of milk .

We can preach he alone in the one good teaching master.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Baptize with the water of the word doctrine that fall like rain. not inspired from Rome. or Salt lake City

Ok the living word of God lovingly commands. . Go ye therefore to those born again . Will you obey the living abiding word or is dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart a bunch of sola scriptura nonsense?????

Hebrews4: 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

What do you think he thinks can he come through on his promise today ? Who sent you today?

Heb 13 is rules for Chistian living.

Do you want any particular one explained?

I will comment on the nature of the sacrifices we are to offer, they are spiritual; e.g., the fruit of our lips; i.e., praise.

And on "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority." (Heb 13:17)
This is respect for authority, orderliness and discipline in the church, but not of the kind referred to in 3 Jn 9-10.

13:7 & 13:17