TRUMP IN 2024 - LET'S TAKE A GOOD LOOK

[Buff Scott Jr.]

What Might Possibly Transpire in 2024
Relative to Donald Trump

BUFF SCOTT, JR.
Columnist & Reformer
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1] Of all the criminal charges brought again Trump by liberal politicians and liberal Judges, he has not yet been convicted in any Court of Law. It is affirmed, “Trump has pleaded not guilty in the criminal cases and has denied wrongdoing in the civil and federal cases. He maintains all the cases are ‘election interference’ and has sought to delay the criminal cases until after the 2024 elections.”—NBC News.

2] Although a few States have removed, or are in the process of removing, him from the Presidential voting ballot in 2024, not one case will remain legally valid until he is convicted in a Court of Law. But even then, Higher Courts will possibly conclude he cannot be legally removed from any State’s voting ballots.

3] This issue will eventually be settled by the U. S. Supreme Court, possibly in the early part of 2024. It follows that since so many liberal politicians and Judges have initiated a political “Witch Hunt” against him, as Trump asserts, not only will his candidacy for President gain popularity, as it is currently doing, but the U. S. Supreme Court will probably settle the issue in Trump’s favor—mostly on the basis he has not been found guilty by any Court of Law.

4] But even if he is found guilty in some lower Court of Law, there’s a strong likelihood the U. S. Supreme Court will undo the whole mess of political elements because of illegalities or inconclusive evidence. To describe in plain terms what I’m leading up to, the U. S. Supreme Court will likely issue more than one judgment in favor of Trump.

5] To me, based upon how these political issues and questions have and are developing, it appears that instead of the efforts of liberal politicians and Judges to convince the general public that Trump should never be President again, they have instead influenced and/are influencing the bulk of the general population to politically embrace him. And if I’m correct, he will not only be the Republican Party’s Presidential Candidate in 2024, but may even be elected President again. I suggest we keep our eyes closely glued to the political events in 2024.

Dec. 30, 2023​

 

[Josheb]

Do you think the country will be any less divided and rancorous if Trump is elected to a second term than it was during his first term?

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

Do you think the country will be any less divided and rancorous if Trump is elected to a second term than it was during his first term?

I believe that if any candidate can restore our nation's principles of demonocracy, Trump could probably be the man, even in spite of his personality defects. If I'm correct, our nation will in the long-run be less divided.

 

[Josh II]

I believe that if any candidate can restore our nation's principles of demonocracy, Trump could probably be the man, even in spite of his personality defects. If I'm correct, our nation will in the long-run be less divided.

That is not what I asked. Trump's first presidency was characterized by a lot of divisiveness and America was more politically divided that I have observed in my 65 years living on the planet, or at least that dating back to the civil unrest of the 1960s. The left side of the political spectrum attacked and resisted everything and much of the ride side of the spectrum either agreed or collaborated. His own party was divided. I am not saying it was valid or just. I am simply making an observation: the nation was rancorously divided, and I am asking you if you think that will be any different.

I am not asking if Trump can restore principles of Democracy.

If I'm correct, our nation will in the long-run be less divided.

Hmmm... Am I to understand that to say if the principles of democracy are restored then the nation will be less divisive..... and eventually less divided?

 

[Josh II]

.....if any candidate can restore our nation's principles of demonocracy.................. our nation will in the [long run] be less divided.

I know these are probably points better discussed in a separate thread but.....

1. We do not live in a democracy. We live in a representative republic, and a constitutional representative republic. The fact that we so commonly use the term "democracy" to the point of neglecting the fact of our specific form of government is largely due to the influence of the left.
2. Many of our political leaders are Marxist socialists, and this is increasingly the case in all levels of government (municipal, state, federal, legislative, executive and administrative).* We now live in a case where much of the country is governed by unelected regulators not elected legislators, and fiat regulation instead of legislated law. Every time anyone of Marxist persuasion gets elected that is a vote against a constitutional representative republic and every time a Marxist of any degree takes an oath to protect and serve the Constitution they are lying! Marxism is about revolution and constant socio-economic class restructuring - even at the expense of the rule of law. Marxism is directly opposed to the rule of law, especially our Constitutional version of the rule of Law. Unless the influence of Marxism is addressed then "principles of democracy" are not going to be restored and unless you believe Trump can and will restore the representative republic America as it once was will not be restored.
3. We now have an unnamed third political party called "statism" that transcends the lines of political parties. Both Dems and Repubs contain statists. The Dems are all about statism; it is a direct effect of their core belief the federal government is the primary solution to every problem (instead of all society's institutions working collaboratively, as classical conservative precepts hold). This is evident two ways: the first is the aforementioned practice of looking to the federal government as the messiah, and the second is the left's increasing efforts to eradicate the right. A democracy - by definition - requires at least two political parties (at a minimum). Therefore, every time anyone ever hears about real or perceived destruction of one party that source is necessarily espousing a completely anti-democracy position (not just an anti-republic position).
4. Division is not the same as divisive. America has always been divided, politically. Most presidential elections are close. Even the recent "landslides" aren't actual landslides. The popular vote is usually about 5% apart. 10% is a huge difference. We have never had a POTUS elected with 60, 70, 80, or 90% margins (at least not in modern times). LBJ had 23.5% margin in '64. A few last century POTUSes came in around the same (+/- a point or two). All of the last three Republican candidates lost the popular vote! Including Trump. So how will Trump restore the principle of the representative republic, reverse the influence of Marxism, and the nation become less divisive if he does not win the popular vote, and if the does win the popular vote how is he going to accomplish the two larger tasks of reversing Marxism and restoring the republic? (That's a rhetorical question. I do not expect you to explain how he'll do all that).
5. There was another point, but I've forgotten it .

Again: probably better discussed in a different thread (I don't intend to hijack this op), but worth noting here given this op's predictions. I'll say this to get us back on topic: We are witnessing an abandonment of the rule of law every time we see a state try to prevent a legally innocent, otherwise qualified person from getting on the ballot. Because such actions also qualify as seditious or insurrectionist, they are all hypocritical. While I am confident the SCOTUS will agree, I am not confident they will achieve a 9-0 vote or be decisive enough in their decision to prevent this from re-occurring in another form.













*I'd include the SCOTUS, especially since we now have a Justice who does not know what a woman is, but we currently have a conservative majority.
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[Buff Scott Jr.]

That is not what I asked. Trump's first presidency was characterized by a lot of divisiveness and America was more politically divided that I have observed in my 65 years living on the planet, or at least that dating back to the civil unrest of the 1960s. The left side of the political spectrum attacked and resisted everything and much of the ride side of the spectrum either agreed or collaborated. His own party was divided. I am not saying it was valid or just. I am simply making an observation: the nation was rancorously divided, and I am asking you if you think that will be any different.

I am not asking if Trump can restore principles of Democracy.

Hmmm... Am I to understand that to say if the principles of democracy are restored then the nation will be less divisive..... and eventually less divided?

TRUMP IN 2024 - LET'S TAKE A GOOD LOOK - New reply to watched thread

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That is not what I asked. Trump's first presidency was characterized by a lot of divisiveness and America was more politically divided that I have observed in my 65 years living on the planet, or at least that dating back to the civil unrest of the 1960s. The left side of the political spectrum attacked and resisted everything and much of the ride side of the spectrum either agreed or collaborated. His own party was divided. I am not saying it was valid or just. I am simply making an observation: the nation was rancorously divided, and I am asking you if you think that will be any different.

I am not asking if Trump can restore principles of Democracy.

Hmmm... Am I to understand that to say if the principles of democracy are restored then the nation will be less divisive..... and eventually less divided?

"...and I'm asking you if you think that will be any different?"

I'm not certain if I'm enlightened enough to give you a definitive answer. Perhaps you're enlightened enough to settle the matter.​

 

[Fred]

Do you think the country will be any less divided and rancorous if Trump is elected to a second term than it was during his first term?

Probably more so.
Many people' hatred towards God has increased. There is less and less 'common ground' so the span that divides us grows greater and greater.

 

[Josh II]

I'm not certain if I'm enlightened enough to give you a definitive answer. Perhaps you're enlightened enough to settle the matter.

I am not convinced Trump will run, and if he runs that he will win. I think it is still too early to have much confidence in either and it is best to wait to see how the early primaries go. I am not convinced Biden will run and, if he does, that he will win. I think American politics is currently a mess. I do believe there is a very good possibility a Republican will win but if he does win I have a suspicion the left (politicians, academia, and the media) will do what they did to Trump and that will do two things: 1) bring into the nation's greater awareness just how colluding those institutions are against half the country and 2) further exacerbate the lack of sound governance currently existing.

The best way to get rid of any Democrat candidate is for the Republicans to legislate effectively. Sadly, the Republicans have become hypocrites. Schiff and Pelosi managed to run Congress for four years with a circus show when they could and have and should have been legislating laws for the benefit of the whole country. They did not do so. Conservatives complain, but now that they hold the House, they are doing the exact same thing. They should be ashamed of themselves BUT THEY ARE NOT!!!

Which, spiritually speaking, is a very bad thing for all of us.

John 3:19-21 NIV
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

Those we elected have become like those with no shame and those who are shamed-filled and hide. It is not a good thing. Remember: Trump shared party control of both House and Senate the first two years of his presidency and leaders in his own party got in his way. There are more "MAGA" politicians now but that's not what is actually needed. What is need is Republicans to act like they share a political philosophy and back the guy in charge. I'm not sure that will happen, either.


As you may know, I have the opportunity to rub elbows with local and state pols and the occasional talk-show person. I have been trying to emphasize core conservative principles (rule of law, fiscal responsibility, decentralized power, etc.) and I am astonished how few of our pols and media can cite core concepts, and apply them.

 

[Josheb]

Do you think the country will be any less divided and rancorous if Trump is elected to a second term than it was during his first term?

Probably more so.
Many people' hatred towards God has increased. There is less and less 'common ground' so the span that divides us grows greater and greater.

?????

Is that intended to draw some equivalence between hatred towards God and increased division due to Trump being elected?

• If hatred toward God increases so will division over Trump?
• When hatred toward God increases so does division over Trump?
• Hatred toward God equals hatred toward Trump?

If any of the above is what is intended, then what do you do with all the God-loving Christians who are not Trump supporters?

 

[Fred]

?????

Is that intended to draw some equivalence between hatred towards God and increased division due to Trump being elected?

• If hatred toward God increases so will division over Trump?
• When hatred toward God increases so does division over Trump?
• Hatred toward God equals hatred toward Trump?

If any of the above is what is intended, then what do you do with all the God-loving Christians who are not Trump supporters?

Trump will likely be the nominee for the Republican party.
There will be increased division because some (or many?) of the things he supports such as his pro-life stance are antithetical to the reprobate mind.

 

[Josheb]

Trump will likely be the nominee for the Republican party.

I'd agree it is likely, but I am not confident the probability is as significant as polls and the media (especially the conservative media) would have us believe.

There will be increased division because some (or many?) of the things he supports such as his pro-life stance are antithetical to the reprobate mind.

All the conservative/Republican candidates support things like the prolife stance that are antithetical to the reprobate mind. Do you think the division will be greater than or less than if Desantis, Haley, or Ramaswamy are elected? If greater than then the division is not due to Trump's stances.

The problem of conservative God-loving Christians not supporting Trump has still not been addressed. They may or may not be as vocal, or rancorous as the non-supporters on the left but they would be among those in the category of dissent. Just to be clear: I am not a supporter of ANY of the bovine refuse occurring in leftist states by leftist lawyers, politicians, and administrators (he'll likely either be found innocent or win his appeals because his due process rights have been violated). I believe a Trump victory will cause ongoing division that may well worse over what we saw his first term and for that reason (as well as others) I believe it would be best if he was NOT the next POTUS.

It seems to me there is a bit of a paradox: Those acknowledging the divided populous and the divisive nature of the political climate are implicitly accepting and advocating for both by supporting Trump simply because we all know it is coming if Trump is elected. I do not want division, but I want division. And there is a certain irony to this situation because on the left the paradox is "I don't want division, but I want division" (I do not want Trump but I'm going to burn down the nation no matter who gets elected ).

 

[Fred]

I'd agree it is likely, but I am not confident the probability is as significant as polls and the media (especially the conservative media) would have us believe.

All the conservative/Republican candidates support things like the prolife stance that are antithetical to the reprobate mind. Do you think the division will be greater than or less than if Desantis, Haley, or Ramaswamy are elected? If greater than then the division is not due to Trump's stances.

Pretty much all of them. Just don't have a good feeling about Haley.

TI believe a Trump victory will cause ongoing division that may well worse over what we saw his first term and for that reason (as well as others) I believe it would be best if he was NOT the next POTUS.

Because the others besides Trump) would probably cater to the left too much.
Probably not Ramaswamy and to a much slightly less degree, Desantis.

It seems to me there is a bit of a paradox: Those acknowledging the divided populous and the divisive nature of the political climate are implicitly accepting and advocating for both by supporting Trump simply because we all know it is coming if Trump is elected. I do not want division, but I want division. And there is a certain irony to this situation because on the left the paradox is "I don't want division, but I want division" (I do not want Trump but I'm going to burn down the nation no matter who gets elected ).

There will be more division because the left hates God.
The further they push their agenda and the more Christians stand true then more division will occur.

 

[Josheb]

There will be more division because the left hates God.

Which does nothing to answer my question. The division was couched in "hatred toward God," and my question is specifically about those NOT hating God.


What do you do with all the God-loving Christians who are not Trump supporters?
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The further they push their agenda and the more Christians stand true then more division will occur.

Many a preacher would have us believe that, particularly those with an apocalyptic view of contemporary times. However, many Christians believe the Christian life is firmly couched in the cultural mandate and the great commission. Division is decreased when those occur. The "division" turns out to also be in-house, in the house of God, not solely between God lovers and God haters.

The further they push their agenda and the more Christians stand true then more division will occur.

Perhaps, but I did not ask about "they" on the left r God haters.


What do you do with all the God-loving Christians who are not Trump supporters?

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[Fred]

What do you do with all the God-loving Christians who are not Trump supporters?

By now they should be.
He's miles ahead of everyone else.

Refusal to get on board is aiding the enemy.

 

[Josheb]

By now they should be.

I completely disagree!

He's miles ahead of everyone else.

I completely disagree!

Refusal to get on board is aiding the enemy.

I completely disagree.

Trump has a long history of breaking covenants with others. He's been married at least three times and dated some of the most intelligent and hard-working (and physically attractive) women in the word and they do not have kind words to say about him. He appears to have changed with his current wife so I will give him some credit for improvement but his entire life is as a covenant-breaker. He has openly admitted he used bankruptcy laws to his advantage, and he's done so three times. That means on three occasions those who loaned him money lost it all because he broke his covenant with them. Trump has the support of the conservative evangelical community and he was once a somewhat consistent attendee of a Presbyterian congregation in New York but the pastor of that congregation said he hadn't seen Trump in years and one of Trump's advisors was Paula White, and she is a prosperity preacher, not someone to be considered orthodox. Trump broke several of his campaign promises (breaking covenant with those who elected him). He built some of the wall, but not nearly what he said he'd build, and Mexico did not pay for it (not even through the renegotiated trade agreement). He ran on balancing the budget and paying down the debt and he did neither - even though he raised record revenues!!! Instead, he compromised and agreed to pork that added three trillion dollars to the deficit. He did many good things with trade and lowered unemployment and probably would have done better had it not been for COVID - but let's not forget he bought into that lie and was complicit with the government forcing lies and drugs on both the citizenry and the nations businesses. His later regret does not change that fact.

Most importantly, he's a "brawler." That can be a good thing for a businessman or a politician, but not when it looks like all the negatives in scripture.

Proverbs 15:1-33
A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger. The tongue of the wise makes knowledge acceptable, but the mouth of fools spouts folly... A soothing tongue is a tree of life, but perversion in it crushes the spirit. A fool rejects his father's discipline, but he who regards reproof is sensible.... He who hates reproof will die... A scoffer does not love one who reproves him, he will not go to the wise.... The mind of the intelligent seeks knowledge, But the mouth of fools feeds on folly. All the days of the afflicted are bad, but a cheerful heart has a continual feast.... A hot-tempered man stirs up strife, but the slow to anger calms a dispute...... He who neglects discipline despises himself, but he who listens to reproof acquires understanding. The fear of the LORD is the instruction for wisdom, and before honor comes humility.

Romans 12:9-21
Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good. Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor. Do not be slothful in zeal, be fervent in spirit, serve the Lord. Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality. Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Galatians 5:17-26
For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.

There are many reasons why a conscientious, devote, conservative Christian might not vote for Trump. I like many of his positions, but I do not want another four years of rancor, division, and impotent government.


Keep in mind: the mid-term election usually flips the legislature away from the party of the president. Dems will likely regain power and we'll see another waste of money and endless persecution and prosecution at your expense and mine.

By now they should be.

Scripture says otherwise.

Proverbs 29:12 ESV
If a ruler listens to falsehood, all his officials will be wicked.


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[Fred]

I completely disagree!

I completely disagree!

I completely disagree.

Trump has a long history of breaking covenants with others. He's been married at least three times and dated some of the most intelligent and hard-working (and physically attractive) women in the word and they do not have kind words to say about him.

We are electing a president not a pastor.

 

[GoKart Mozart]

We are electing a president not a pastor.

Being a liar, crooked and perpetuating fraud is not a desirable quality of/in either.

 

[Fred]

Being a liar,

Who isn't?

crooked

Who isn't in at least some degree?

and perpetuating fraud

For example?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

it appears that instead of the efforts of liberal politicians and Judges to convince the general public that Trump should never be President again, they have instead influenced and/are influencing the bulk of the general population to politically embrace him.​

Works for me, y'all. I'll certainly vote for him without a second thought. Anybody the "Swamp" hates that much has got to be a good thing.

Oh, and the U.S. was NEVER (by design) a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic. THE LAST THING we need would be a "Democracy", where the minority has no voice at all.

 

[Josheb]

We are electing a president not a pastor.

Never said otherwise. Lame red herring.

The fact is the man is a train wreck. He did not realize the hopes of conservative Christians. He did not clean out the swamp. He did not undo Obamacare. The election was his to win had he handled COVID differently, better, and despite the prowess with which he managed "vaccine" development and delivery he turned out to have been duped like the rest of us. We might even say he was swamped . He managed the economy well in many ways (I do not think I have ever seen the stock market trade solely on someone winning an election) but our money was worthless (and he knows economics and business, so he knew the interest rates needed to be gradually increased and tariffs are not a long-term solution). He managed foreign affairs well in many ways (replaced NAFTA, re-established the US as a world leader, strengthened NATO, nearly bankrupted Iran, recognized Jerusalem), but it's not wise to withdraw troops from Europe (or S. Korea), or alternatively alienate and condone the politics of Arabian Islam. He was petty. He mocked people, called people "loser," "horseface," "crazy," "mad dog, "lyin'," "Pocahontas," or "psycho," and applauded a legislator who assaulted a reporter. It's hugely ironic because I suspect if Trump called any normal person those things, he'd called others he'd be thankful for Secret Service protection.

Many noteworthy accomplishments (reduced illegal immigration, reformed taxation, SCOTUS appointments, created Space Force, defeated the ISIS "caliphate," and if it's true all politicians are narcissists and liars then the left can be full of chagrin Trump Trumped them at their own game - or maybe not because that freak Schiff managed to impeach him twice. He's pro-Constitution, pro First and Second Amendment rights, pro-life, pro (responsible) gun ownership, pro defense, pro open markets and fair wages, pro domestic energy, and many other positions I support BUT he is not truly conservative. Many Republicans aren't. True conservativism promotes principles and applies them uniformly to circumstance. The reason conservatives are pro-life (for example) is not because they are Republicans, but because God is the author of life, all life is valuable (unless it forfeits life by violating another's), there is no constitutional right to abortion, the rule of law should be followed, and the government should be decentralized and limits its control to what is stipulated in the Constitution.

We live in a pluralistic representative republic, not a democracy.

Conservative principles include...

• the rule of law,
• the Constitution as the preeminent rule of law,
• small decentralized government,
• mistrust of power (because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely),
• the nuclear family as the basic institution of society,
• the use of all societal institutions to address solutions (not the government as messiah),
• fiscal responsibility,
• the wishes of the majority rule but not at the expense of the minority's rights,

These and other core principles define a conservative, and Trump was weak in many of these areas. It's a huge problem on the Republican side of the political divide. It's bad enough we have to contend with Democrats, socialists, and liberals holing diametrically opposite views. RINOs are becoming a majority on OUR side of the divide.

We are electing a president not a pastor.

Lame red herring.


This op is about what might happen this coming year. I tend to agree with this op. I am not convinced Trump will lose all these cases, but I am fairly confident much of the left's nonsense will prove fruitless because they've violated his due process and, ironically, acted with seditious intent to undermine an election. I do not think that Trump should be POTUS again because more what has already happened will continue and that is not good for the country. He had his chance and cons are watching with increasing reluctance, and that is likely to grow as the courtroom circus expands. It won't matter that he is eventually free of it (temporarily). If the polls are correct the Haley beats Biden by a much greater margin than Trump (I find that hard to believe) so Trump is not the guaranteed candidate. The single biggest factor may well be Trump does not have Limbaugh to support him nearly around the clock. A lot can happen in the next year.

The cons want a POTUS with greater integrity to conservative values and no one wants a repeat of constant internal attacks and pettiness. The sad thing is the election was Trump's to win and he blew it. All he had to do was tone down the rhetoric and speak more American. All he had to do was practice the verses I quoted in Post 15.