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TRUMP IN 2024 - LET'S TAKE A GOOD LOOK

Never said otherwise. Lame red herring.

The fact is the man is a train wreck. He did not realize the hopes of conservative Christians. He did not clean out the swamp. He did not undo Obamacare. The election was his to win had he handled COVID differently, better, and despite the prowess with which he managed "vaccine" development and delivery he turned out to have been duped like the rest of us. We might even say he was swamped 🤯. He managed the economy well in many ways (I do not think I have ever seen the stock market trade solely on someone winning an election) but our money was worthless (and he knows economics and business, so he knew the interest rates needed to be gradually increased and tariffs are not a long-term solution). He managed foreign affairs well in many ways (replaced NAFTA, re-established the US as a world leader, strengthened NATO, nearly bankrupted Iran, recognized Jerusalem), but it's not wise to withdraw troops from Europe (or S. Korea), or alternatively alienate and condone the politics of Arabian Islam. He was petty. He mocked people, called people "loser," "horseface," "crazy," "mad dog, "lyin'," "Pocahontas," or "psycho," and applauded a legislator who assaulted a reporter. It's hugely ironic because I suspect if Trump called any normal person those things, he'd called others he'd be thankful for Secret Service protection.

Many noteworthy accomplishments (reduced illegal immigration, reformed taxation, SCOTUS appointments, created Space Force, defeated the ISIS "caliphate," and if it's true all politicians are narcissists and liars then the left can be full of chagrin Trump Trumped them at their own game - or maybe not because that freak Schiff managed to impeach him twice. He's pro-Constitution, pro First and Second Amendment rights, pro-life, pro (responsible) gun ownership, pro defense, pro open markets and fair wages, pro domestic energy, and many other positions I support BUT he is not truly conservative. Many Republicans aren't. True conservativism promotes principles and applies them uniformly to circumstance. The reason conservatives are pro-life (for example) is not because they are Republicans, but because God is the author of life, all life is valuable (unless it forfeits life by violating another's), there is no constitutional right to abortion, the rule of law should be followed, and the government should be decentralized and limits its control to what is stipulated in the Constitution.

We live in a pluralistic representative republic, not a democracy.

Conservative principles include...

  • the rule of law,
  • the Constitution as the preeminent rule of law,
  • small decentralized government,
  • mistrust of power (because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely),
  • the nuclear family as the basic institution of society,
  • the use of all societal institutions to address solutions (not the government as messiah),
  • fiscal responsibility,
  • the wishes of the majority rule but not at the expense of the minority's rights,
These and other core principles define a conservative, and Trump was weak in many of these areas. It's a huge problem on the Republican side of the political divide. It's bad enough we have to contend with Democrats, socialists, and liberals holing diametrically opposite views. RINOs are becoming a majority on OUR side of the divide.

Lame red herring.


This op is about what might happen this coming year. I tend to agree with this op. I am not convinced Trump will lose all these cases, but I am fairly confident much of the left's nonsense will prove fruitless because they've violated his due process and, ironically, acted with seditious intent to undermine an election. I do not think that Trump should be POTUS again because more what has already happened will continue and that is not good for the country. He had his chance and cons are watching with increasing reluctance, and that is likely to grow as the courtroom circus expands. It won't matter that he is eventually free of it (temporarily). If the polls are correct the Haley beats Biden by a much greater margin than Trump (I find that hard to believe) so Trump is not the guaranteed candidate. The single biggest factor may well be Trump does not have Limbaugh to support him nearly around the clock. A lot can happen in the next year.

The cons want a POTUS with greater integrity to conservative values and no one wants a repeat of constant internal attacks and pettiness. The sad thing is the election was Trump's to win and he blew it. All he had to do was tone down the rhetoric and speak more American. All he had to do was practice the verses I quoted in Post 15.

Oh please. What a mess.

He ended Roe v. Wade. He personally showed up to the Right to Life gathering. No other so-called pro-life president did.
 
Oh please. What a mess.
Right back at you.
He ended Roe v. Wade. He personally showed up to the Right to Life gathering. No other so-called pro-life president did.
No, SCOTUS did that, and it has not stopped unfettered abortion. Trump gets credit for the appointments; the appointees get the credit for Dobbs. Dobbs decreased future POTUS influence and put it in the hands of state legislatures for the next few decades.

Fred, disagreement is one thing. Lame arguments undermine any disagreement. Can you disprove one point or one statement I've made? If so, then do so. Otherwise, bend to the facts: Trump is not an ideal candidate (despite shared agreeable conservative positions), his (re-)election will foster more division that isn't good for the country, and devout conservative Christians have plenty of reason to consider others and not vote for him. It does not mean you have to stop supporting him, but it does mean you have to adjust your expectations of others because Post 14 is wrong.
 
Thanks to his appointments to SCOTUS.

Do you think this through?
Did you read the post?

Trump gets credit for the appointments; the appointees get the credit for Dobbs. Dobbs decreased future POTUS influence and put it in the hands of state legislatures for the next few decades.

Yes, I did think it through. Did you?

Post 14 is wrong. It's not a maybe. It's not a matter of opinion. It's wrong. Because you equated love of God with support for Trump you were asked, "What do you do with all the God-loving Christians who are not Trump supporters?" The question had to be asked multiple times and when an answer did finally come, the answer was, "By now they should be."

You think ALL God-loving Christians should be Trump supporters.

The reason you think that is because God-haters don't support him. The reason God-loving Christians should support him is because "he's miles ahead of everyone else" and "Refusal to get on board is aiding the enemy." YOUR rationale is God-loving Christians should be Trump supporters because if they don't they are aiding the enemy.

That's your argument. It is void of relevant facts and void of scripture.

I, on the other hand, have given the man credit where credit is due and criticized him based on conservative values (not the left-wing fodder so common in a Google search). I've met the man. I've fellowshipped at church with the Pences. I know Sean Spicer and Sebastian Gorka. NOTHING I posted came from left-of-center sources and every single fact can be objectively verified by anyone. Trump added to the deficit. That directly goes against the biblical principle of stewardship and fiscal responsibility. Our budget deficit is the single biggest risk to this nation (and the left's asset). Profligate spending does not come from God. Neither does the prosperity gospel. Trump often took credit for things his predecessor accomplished, like making America the number 1 energy producer in the world. That was accomplished on Obama's watch, not Trump's. I am not fan of Obama's. I think he's the worse POTUS this nation has ever seen (and that includes Buchanon, Carter and Biden) but he gets credit for making the US energy productive (even while he was stabbing everyone in the back with green policies). It's not okay for someone to take credit for another man's accomplishments. It is lying.

Is he a better liar than all the other politicians? Maybe.

Is he the best person for the job? No.

Is he being treated unfairly (and illegally)? Yes!

Will the rancor and division continue and likely worsen if he's elected? Yes.



There is plenty of reason for God-loving and God-fearing Christians NOT to support the man and if the best argument you have is he's miles ahead of everyone else and refusal to get on board is aiding the enemy, then that makes you an ideologue, NOT a thinking citizen who wants the country run by godly men applying godly principles in hopes of attaining healing for a godly nation.

Psalm 33:12 ESV
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage!

Isaiah 60:12 ESV
For the nation and kingdom that will not serve you shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste.

2 Chronicles 7:14 ESV
If my people who are called by my name humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

Isaiah 60:18 ESV
Violence shall no more be heard in your land, devastation or destruction within your borders; you shall call your walls Salvation, and your gates Praise.


If Trump is elected he will have to do a better job under worse conditions and so far he does not look a bit different. He's still unnecessarily adversarial, a braggard, bully, and a name-caller. Listen to him. Take the next thirty days and count the number of times he mentions God, Jesus, his personal faith, or any knowledge of scripture.
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Refusal to get on board is aiding the enemy.
Scripture says otherwise.
Just don't have a good feeling about Haley.
Let's base our decisions, our election, and the nation's welfare on feelings.


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Trump gets credit for the appointments; the appointees get the credit for Dobbs.

Dobbs wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Trump.

Thanks for making this easy for me.
The rest of your rambling mess I ignored. This is because since you can't grasp the above that is so basic there is no way you are going to reason clearly with anything else. Not my job to fix that mess.
 
Trump gets credit for the appointments;
Dobbs wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Trump.
Which is exactly what I said BEFORE you brought up the matter.
Thanks for making this easy for me. The rest of your rambling mess I ignored. This is because since you can't grasp the above that is so basic there is no way you are going to reason clearly with anything else. Not my job to fix that mess.
Nice troll. Just as I give credit to Trump for what he did well and criticize him for his failures, I do that here and now with you. You're good at trolling with appeals to ridicule, non sequitur and avoidance. Staying on topic and having a rational discussion? Not so much.


Bye
 
Do you think the country will be any less divided and rancorous if Trump is elected to a second term than it was during his first term?

Do you think the country will be any less divided and rancorous if Biden is elected to a second term than it was during his first term?

at least we will have a great looking VP for a change.
 
Great, because it proves my point.

It was because of Trump that Roe is gone.
And given back to the states... keeping the feds out of it
 
And given back to the states... keeping the feds out of it

Not so sure that it should be even a states issue.

The Declaration teaches that our lives are from the Creator. To take away (murder) that life seems to me to be a federal issue = politically speaking anyway.
 
Being a liar, crooked and perpetuating fraud is not a desirable quality of/in either.

Here’s The Full List Of Every Lie Joe Biden Has Told As President: 249 And Counting​



Here RE few.... this full list would make this so long.... Um... part 3 is too long... Ill cut it Be sure to go to the link for 140 for your daily laugh



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Updated Sept. 15, 2023. Two hundred forty-nine lies and counting.
More than two years into President Joe Biden’s time in the White House and the end to his lies is nowhere in sight. Here is part three of The Federalist’s rigorous coverage keeping the Biden administration accountable with substantive fact-checking throughout the president’s tenure.


You can find part two of “The Full List Of Every Lie Joe Biden Has Told As President” here.

249. Biden Says He Taught At Classes At The University Of Pennsylvania​

During a Sept. 14 speech, Biden claimed he taught “political theory” at the University of Pennsylvania. Despite being named an honorary professor and receiving nearly $1 million from the university, there is no evidence Biden ever taught classes at UPenn.

248. Biden Says He Visited Ground Zero Day After 9/11/2001​

During a 9/11 remembrance speech in Anchorage, Alaska, Biden claimed he visited ground zero just one day after terrorists crashed into the twin towers.
“Ground zero in New York — I remember standing there the next day and looking at the building. And I felt like I was looking through the gates of hell,” Biden said.


At the time, Biden was a U.S. senator from Delaware. He was one of the hundreds of members of Congress who convened in Washington D.C. on Sept. 12, 2001 to condemn the attack.
Biden’s 2007 memoir “Promises To Keep” confirms his presence at the Capitol on Sept. 12, 2001, not at ground zero.
The White House, when confronted with Biden’s lie, offered corporate media a photo of Biden touring the destruction nine days after the attack.

247. Biden Claims Half his House ‘Almost Collapsed’ After a Fire​

During an Aug. 30 press conference addressing Hurricane Idalia, Biden falsely claimed he and his family couldn’t live at their home “for about seven months” after a lightning strike and subsequent fire.

“Lightning struck my house. We had to the be out of that house for about seven months while it was repaired because so much damage was done to the house and half the house almost collapsed,” the president claimed.
A quick scroll through this lie tracker demonstrates this isn’t the first time Biden has issued this made-up story. According to an Associated Press report, the lightning strike Biden often refers to caused a “small” kitchen fire at his Delaware home in 2004 and was contained by firefighters within 20 minutes.

246. Biden Claims He Convinced Strom Thurmond To Support The Civil Rights Act​

During an Aug. 28 White House event, Biden falsely claimed he “literally, not figuratively,” talked former South Carolina Sen. Strom Thurmond into “voting for the Civil Rights Act” before the latter died.
There are numerous holes in the president’s baseless claim, the first of which is the fact that Biden was only 21 years old when the Civil Rights Act passed on June 19, 1964. Biden wasn’t elected to the U.S. Senate until he was 29. Moreover, Thurmond not only voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act; he died decades after the measure’s passage (in 2003).

 
Not so sure that it should be even a states issue.

The Declaration teaches that our lives are from the Creator. To take away (murder) that life seems to me to be a federal issue = politically speaking anyway.
But not everyone in the country believes in God.

I agree... it should be done away with except for extreme reasons... incest/rape. Or the health of the mom that would result in death to her.

And before a heartbeat is heard.

But even at that It should be gone.

But since it wont be back to the states is the right move none of this day of birth or wekk before garbage
 
Do you think the country will be any less divided and rancorous if Biden is elected to a second term than it was during his first term?
No. Biden campaigned on the promise of unifying the country and failed. I see no reason he will do otherwise in a second term.

However, the question of division is a red herring because it is illegal and immoral to do things like not secure the border, spend profligately, kill humans in the womb without real and objectively verifiable medical reasons, lie to the citizenry, or pursue partisan politics at the expense of the national welfare. That list is very long and there can be no unity with those who do such things.
...at least we will have a great looking VP for a change.
LOL :LOL:

Well, a great looking pair of wives, at any rate ;).
 
Not so sure that it should be even a states issue.

The Declaration teaches that our lives are from the Creator. To take away (murder) that life seems to me to be a federal issue = politically speaking anyway.
But not everyone in the country believes in God.

I agree... it should be done away with except for extreme reasons... incest/rape. Or the health of the mom that would result in death to her.

And before a heartbeat is heard.

But even at that It should be gone.

But since it wont be back to the states is the right move none of this day of birth or wekk before garbage

Antifa militants attack Christian families at Jesus March in Portland​

On the same day that a would-be assassin attempted to kill former President Donald Trump, Antifa militants attacked a group of people attending an evangelical Christian worship event in downtown Portland, Oregon. Children were among the crowd.

Far-left extremists, including members of Rose City Antifa, were captured on video deploying mace, throwing punches, and violently beating Christians. Some of the attackers wore militant black bloc uniforms, while others hid their identity behind Islamic keffiyeh scarves. The event attacked was the United Revival Jesus March, the same event that Antifa extremists attacked last year.

The Feds wont touch this as it violates separation of church and state therefore I say abortion is proper to be back with the states
 

Antifa militants attack Christian families at Jesus March in Portland​

On the same day that a would-be assassin attempted to kill former President Donald Trump, Antifa militants attacked a group of people attending an evangelical Christian worship event in downtown Portland, Oregon. Children were among the crowd.

Far-left extremists, including members of Rose City Antifa, were captured on video deploying mace, throwing punches, and violently beating Christians. Some of the attackers wore militant black bloc uniforms, while others hid their identity behind Islamic keffiyeh scarves. The event attacked was the United Revival Jesus March, the same event that Antifa extremists attacked last year.

The Feds wont touch this as it violates separation of church and state therefore I say abortion is proper to be back with the states

Why wouldn't this be classified as a hate crime?
 
Why wouldn't this be classified as a hate crime?
More then likely it would need to be the Christians attacking antifa.... (I'm joking of course...kind of)
 
Great, because it proves my point.

It was because of Trump that Roe is gone.
And GOOD RIDDANCE!!!! Roe was a blasphemous mistake that had the U.S. proclaiming that murdering the unborn WAS AN AMERICAN RIGHT!!!!

The effect of Roe was, of course, that abortion became a popular "Birth control procedure". The critics all bawl and beat their breasts about the criminal aspects - rape, incest, and sometimes "Medical issues", but BIRTH CONTROL was the primary purpose, and "Planned Parenthood" made a BUNDLE in their roll as contract murderers. Trashing Roe didn't OUTLAW abortion, but it did eliminate the U.S. OFFICIAL SUPPORT of Murder on demand being a Constitutional RIGHT!!!
 
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