Trinitarian

[makesends]

Man! I'm having way too much fun here. But I have to quit. Got too much to do. I'll try to respond when I can. Thank you, bro!

Understandable and astute observation.

The "personalness" and agency of God is important. Along with the omni-attributes of God this is what separates the Gd of the Bible from all other gods and religions in the world. The western gods, the gods of the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Norse, Celts, etc. have eyes and ears, thoughts and emotions and other faculties humans possess. The problem is none of them are all powerful. Zeus is always arguing with Poseidon, who is trying to get one over on Hera, who is bickering with Pluto, who is trying to scam Ra, who is upset with Thor who is trying to hit on Brigid and Cerdiwen because Aphrodite and Isis won't give him the time of day because Molech and Ba'al are killing babies to show they are badder than Shiva. None of them are truly all powerful.

They are personal but not infinite.

This stands in stark opposition to the "gods" of the east. Those gods are without form, they not only lack eyes and ears but they have no will or purpose. They are the eternal forces of the universe with which one must align one's life if enlightenment is to be obtained.

They are infinite but not personal.

Only the God of the Bible is infinite and personal, and that proves a problem for the non-trin views because the God who is ontologically love and just cannot be either absent personal relationship. He must be an us or His own claims about Himself prove nonsensical.

Incorrect. God, in His own Word, using His own words states He has thoughts. He labels His emotions and speaks explicitly of His will and His action. Throughout the Bible from beginning to end relationship is asserted and described beginning with the implications of Genesis 1:1 = the Creator is not creation and there is a relationship between the Creator and all that He created that described in every ensuing page of His word.

Yes, all of God is one. God and God alone is wholly integrated and "one" in ways we cannot be, but that does not preclude our ability to discuss any one of His many (infinite and wholly integrated) faculties. The fundamental premise of the doctrine of the Trinity is that God is three Persons each with their own thoughts, emotions, choices, and actions that are all wholly integrated and one with each other. One God that is an Us.

 

[makesends]

AIT means Assisting In Translation. In other words, those words are not in the original writings.

Any translation needs such words, particularly when they are endemic to the form in which a word IS written.

In Spanish, for example, "vamos" doesn't mean "go". It means "we are going" or "let's go" or "we will go" or "we shall go" or "shall we go?". Contextually we know which of those it is. This principle isn't hard to understand.

The Hebrew is 1st person, common plural: "let us make" is all one word, and necessarily implies what we add as a second word: "us".

 

[Josheb]

Any translation needs such words, particularly when they are endemic to the form in which a word IS written.

In Spanish, for example, "vamos" doesn't mean "go". It means "we are going" or "let's go" or "we will go" or "we shall go" or "shall we go?". Contextually we know which of those it is. This principle isn't hard to understand.

The Hebrew is 1st person, common plural: "let us make" is all one word, and necessarily implies what we add as a second word: "us".

Don't get baited. Post #3 is a red herring.

 

[CherubRam]

Any translation needs such words, particularly when they are endemic to the form in which a word IS written.

In Spanish, for example, "vamos" doesn't mean "go". It means "we are going" or "let's go" or "we will go" or "we shall go" or "shall we go?". Contextually we know which of those it is. This principle isn't hard to understand.

The Hebrew is 1st person, common plural: "let us make" is all one word, and necessarily implies what we add as a second word: "us".

The words "Let Us" in that verse are not necessary.

Genesis 1:26,27
(Elohiym / God of the living ones)
God of the living ones spoke, making man in (our / their) image and likeness.

27 So God of the living ones created mankind in His own image, in the image of God of the living ones, He created them; male and female He created them.

It says "He," not they.

 

[Josheb]

The words "Let Us" in that verse are not necessary.

Genesis 1:26,27
(Elohiym / God of the living ones)
God of the living ones spoke, making man in (our / their) image and likeness.

27 So God of the living ones created mankind in His own image, in the image of God of the living ones, He created them; male and female He created them.

It says "He," not they.

Red herring.

 

[donadams]

Covenant Theology is strongly Trinitarian since it maintains that in the unity of the Godhead, there is a Trinity of Persons working out redemption. Herein lies its excellence.
It presents God redeeming fallen man to Himself, by Himself, and through Himself,

Isaiah 48:16,
Draw near to me, hear this:
from the beginning I have not spoken in secret,
from the time it came to be I have been there.”
And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit.

Gal 4:4-6,
4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

Eph 1:3-14,
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[a] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[b] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Eph 2:1 & 5 quickened or brought to life, how is one brought to life?

 

[Carbon]

Eph 2:1 & 5 quickened or brought to life, how is one brought to life?

Ephesians 2,
1) And you were dead in your offenses and sins,

2)even when we were dead in our wrongdoings, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

How is one brought to life?
By God the Holy Spirit.

You really didn't know?

 

[donadams]

Ephesians 2,
1) And you were dead in your offenses and sins,

2)even when we were dead in our wrongdoings, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

How is one brought to life?
By God the Holy Spirit.

You really didn't know?

I’m waiting for you to say how

 

[Carbon]

I’m waiting for you to say how

How?

It's the Spirit quickening (regenerating) an elect person who is dead in their sins. The Spirit renews him in his mind, will and soul. He has become a new creation in Christ.

 

[donadams]

How?

It's the Spirit quickening (regenerating) an elect person who is dead in their sins. The Spirit renews him in his mind, will and soul. He has become a new creation in Christ.

By what means?

 

[Carbon]

By what means?

Your playing now.

 

[donadams]

How?

It's the Spirit quickening (regenerating) an elect person who is dead in their sins. The Spirit renews him in his mind, will and soul. He has become a new creation in Christ.

The spirit alone?

 

[donadams]

You’re playing now.

No I’m not, it’s a covenant not a Bible study, must be a means of initiating and an outward sign!

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2 pet 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Acts 16:17
The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which show unto us the way of salvation.

2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:


Faith and baptism

Thanks

 

[Keiw1]

Covenant Theology is strongly Trinitarian since it maintains that in the unity of the Godhead, there is a Trinity of Persons working out redemption. Herein lies its excellence.
It presents God redeeming fallen man to Himself, by Himself, and through Himself,

Isaiah 48:16,
Draw near to me, hear this:
from the beginning I have not spoken in secret,
from the time it came to be I have been there.”
And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit.

Gal 4:4-6,
4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

Eph 1:3-14,
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[a] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[b] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Jesus=John 20:17--- thus if God has a God, that makes more than 1 God=truth. Thus All know the bible is clear-there is only one God, thus God cannot have a God, thus Jesus is not God, but Gods son.
Paul tells you-1Cor 8:6-why won't you believe him?

 

[Carbon]

Jesus=John 20:17--- thus if God has a God, that makes more than 1 God=truth. Thus All know the bible is clear-there is only one God, thus God cannot have a God, thus Jesus is not God, but Gods son.
Paul tells you-1Cor 8:6-why won't you believe him?

JW theology has no idea what it's talking about. Even its leader didn't know Greek when he translated the scriptures. He was taken to court for it and even admitted such when he couldn't even recite the Greek Alphabet.

Friend, the writing is on the wall. Why don't you believe the facts? I pray God opens your eyes to the truth.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it. John 1.

This is the correct translation. Why won't you accept it? One reason is because the darkness cannot comprehend it. Russell was deceived, and he could not comprehend the scriptures.


Repent and believe in Jesus before time runs out.

 

[Keiw1]

JW theology has no idea what it's talking about. Even its leader didn't know Greek when he translated the scriptures. He was taken to court for it and even admitted such when he couldn't even recite the Greek Alphabet.

Friend, the writing is on the wall. Why don't you believe the facts? I pray God opens your eyes to the truth.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it. John 1.

This is the correct translation. Why won't you accept it? One reason is because the darkness cannot comprehend it. Russell was deceived, and he could not comprehend the scriptures.


Repent and believe in Jesus before time runs out.

When one has holy spirit, knowing a language means 0, God knows every language on earth better than any mortal.
In the Greek lexicons the true God is called Ton Theon at John 1:1= God, the word is called Theon=god when Ton Theon is in the same paragraph-- proof=Its the same translating at 2 Cor 4:4-The true God called Ton Theon=God and satan called Theon= god.
So it can only be satan is God if The word is God or satan is god if the word is god. Since we all know there is only 1 capitol G God in existence-god is correct for both the word and satan. Small g god means-has godlike qualities it is not calling that one God. This is reality friend.

 

[grace2]

When one has holy spirit, knowing a language means 0, God knows every language on earth better than any mortal.
In the Greek lexicons the true God is called Ton Theon at John 1:1= God, the word is called Theon=god when Ton Theon is in the same paragraph-- proof=Its the same translating at 2 Cor 4:4-The true God called Ton Theon=God and satan called Theon= god.
So it can only be satan is God if The word is God or satan is god if the word is god. Since we all know there is only 1 capitol G God in existence-god is correct for both the word and satan. Small g god means-has godlike qualities it is not calling that one God. This is reality friend.

thank you for your input, brother.

 

[Carbon]

When one has holy spirit, knowing a language means 0, God knows every language on earth better than any mortal.
In the Greek lexicons the true God is called Ton Theon at John 1:1= God, the word is called Theon=god when Ton Theon is in the same paragraph-- proof=Its the same translating at 2 Cor 4:4-The true God called Ton Theon=God and satan called Theon= god.
So it can only be satan is God if The word is God or satan is god if the word is god. Since we all know there is only 1 capitol G God in existence-god is correct for both the word and satan. Small g god means-has godlike qualities it is not calling that one God. This is reality friend.

Im so sorry for you. You have been lied to.

 

[grace2]

Im so sorry for you. You have been lied to.

If you have read the Bible what he says makes complete sense.

You guys have been deeply brainwashed to follow your traditional man-made god.

Non-trins online are not trying to persuade or educate the trin believers.

We hope to reach out to the world and spread the whole truth of the identity of God and Jesus.

the whole world believes the Christian god is a triune god which is a lie.

 

[Carbon]

If you have read the Bible what he says makes complete sense.

Just the opposite. I have read the bible and it teaches a Triune God.

You guys have been deeply brainwashed to follow your traditional man-made god.

Non-trins online are not trying to persuade or educate the trin believers.

We hope to reach out to the world and spread the whole truth of the identity of God and Jesus.

the whole world believes the Christian god is a triune god which is a lie.

So what's new? The devil has been lieing and deceiving people since the beginning. The devil may deceive more, and perhaps most of the world that God is not Triune, God knows this and He is not suprised and one day He will put the devil where he belongs, that place that is prepared for him along with all the cults.