Third Jewish Temple in Jerusalem

[Josheb]

A.
Many commentaries agree with A.

Can you post the titles of three that are written by non-Dispensationalists?

If that is the case which I believe it is, then Paul was referring to the rebuilt temple.

The truths of scripture are not subjective.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yes, the conditions asserted in scripture of when the two sticks are united again presents a hole in the theory that 1948 was the fulfillment of scripture.

Such as the conditions listed in Jeremiah 31 of peace and safety along with this:

Jeremiah 31​

(34) And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”​

The state of Israel established in 1948 and up to today doesn't come anywhere near those conditions.

Because those conditions are found in Christ.

 

[CrowCross]

So, you admit we are the "you" here? Christians are literally paying money.. to the wicked. Paying for and supporting the weapons that are leveling our own churches. Supporting the "nation" that's doing it. You seriously don't see an issue there?

Why is the you not "you"?

 

[XrzrX]

Why is the you not "you"?

So, we're playing 'what about' now? Nauseatingly, it is 'me' since my taxes are used for any number of things I don't condone. But, we're talking about Active support here, and you want to dodge the issue. And, I know why. This conversation goes the same exact way with every "supporter" I know. Can't face the reality of the situation.

 

[CrowCross]

That's just hogwash. A half dozen threads contain the demonstrations. The fact is in this very thread. You were asked many posts ago to provide some scripture mentioning another temple will be built in our future and that question is still sitting in this thread, asked multiple time, still unanswered. Multiple posters have commented on the avoidant silence. No one believes you're going to be able to provide a verse explicitly stating a third temple will be built in our future because there is no such verse! No one believes you're going to post any verse because to do so would make obvious the inferential way you read scripture as a function of your Dispensational Premillennial education (and the accompaning refusal to consider any alternative. YOU proved me correct already!

More blah, Blah, Blah. Please get over yourself.

Presuppositionally speaking, Dispensational Premillennialism teaches,

1. God has two peoples,
2. Each people group has a completely different purpose in God's will,
3. Each people group has a completely different destiny in God's will,
4. The Bible can and should be broken down into dispensations,
5. A dispensation is a means by which God relates to His people within a given period of time,
6. Israel is not the Church and the Church is not Israel.

These are just a few of the presuppositions at the foundation of Dispensational Premillennialism. This is what DPism teaches and because this is what DPism teaches this is the mindset with which DPists read scripture, this is the filter through which every single mention of a "temple" is understood. So if you are going to claim I have NEVER demonstrated the presuppositional foundation of DPism that is just hogwash.

I would say their "Hogwash" is better than your Bravo Sierra.

And if you like, I will gladly quote, Scofield, Chafer, Ryrie, Walvoord, Ice, Vlach, and many other leading Dispensational Premillennialist teaching those 6 beliefs.

Are you saying the church replaced Israel? If you actually believe that I would find a different Sunday School.

So maybe you ought to retract what you just posted.

 

[CrowCross]

That is completely correct.


Therefore,

When Revelation 7:14 explicitly states the people wearing white have come through the great tribulation you should take that verse literally (or prove it is symbolic in a pre-tribulation rapturous way, and you do not do either. Since a literal approach should be taken unless the scripture presents it as symbolic you should be posting some scripture literally stating a third temple will be built in our future because otherwise you're not practicing what you preach.......


.....and that means what @Arial and I have said about false teachers is correct.


I asked you where scripture mentions another temple will be built in our future many, many posts ago and I am still waiting for an answer and that answer had better be something scripture literally mentions, not something you interpret to fit your eschatology. Otherwise, you're not practicing what you're preaching.

No, don't change the subject. The question is does scripture literally state another temple will be built in our future?

I'll wait while you look for that verse and post it.

Maybe, but if not then you have become a false prognosticator and do not yet know it. Either the passing of April 13th, 2029, or your death will prove the matter. If the latter, then you'll stand before God asked to give an account for that false teaching.

Good thing you're covered by the blood of Christ .

Listen....I really don't care if you believe in a 3rd temple or not. Seriously.

What I don't like is the arrogant pius way you try to disprove it....

 

[Josheb]

I find you and this post....sad and bitter.
I found your 'objections"...wanting.

But then according to you..."It's very clear you have not thought through the logical necessities of Dispensational Premillennialism."

Mt 24:32 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near.

Great.

Will you now post the verse(s) that "mentions" another temple will be built in our future?

 

[XrzrX]

Listen....I really don't care if you believe in a 3rd temple or not. Seriously.

What I don't like is the arrogant pius way you try to disprove it....

We could all to with reigning in our contentiousness. We're discussing doctrine. and we should address the doctrine. I still can't understand why those supporting the antichrist State won't answer the specific questions. Again, just a broad basic question, how do you resolve that "Israel" has displaced over %90 of the indigenous Christians in that land, and has b*mbed the oldest churches on earth there? It's a very simple question. *And I can understand if you actually didn't know that, and is that the case?

 

[CrowCross]

Aside from the fact that is a false equivalence, and Christians should really learn not to make that fallacious argument when presented with scripture's silence, I can make the case for the Trinity doctrine but you cannot provide me with a single vrse "mentioning," another temple will be built in our future. You were asked many posts ago to do so and nothing has been provided. You've now gone on record stating scripture should be read literally unless scripture presents it symbolically.

That means the onus is on you to provide a literal verse literally reporting another literal temple will be literally built literally in our future.


I will wait while you search your Bible for that verse and post it.

Dude....wake up!!!!! There are MANY, MANY articles out there that speak of the rebuilding of the Temple. Here's one. You can search the web for others....

Why do you continue to kick against the goads?

Rev 11:1 Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.

 

[Josheb]

Yikes...you're still full of a haughty spirit.

Scripture MUST be read literally????? Really? Your point 1 is nonsense.

Great. Ad hominem noted and post reported.

Will you now please post the verse that mentions another temple will be built in our future?

More blah, Blah, Blah. Please get over yourself.


I would say their "Hogwash" is better than your Bravo Sierra.

Would you please post the verse that mentions another temple will be built in our future?

Are you saying the church replaced Israel? If you actually believe that I would find a different Sunday School.

Nope. I am not saying that. The subject being discussed in this op is the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. The only reason your digressions were addressed is because they reveal multiple points of misinterpretation.

Now, will you please post the verse that mentions another temple will be built in our future?


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[CrowCross]

Perhaps but the subject of this op is the temple and you've gone on record in this thread claiming scripture mentions another temple will be built in our future, but it is YOU wo has not demonstrated that to be true. Tu quoque is a fallacious response. It is never rational to say, "Well others do it, too." You've just implicitly acknowledge the problem occurs in Dispensational Premillennialism.

Dispensational Premillennialists should stop doing it.

The posts prove otherwise but if you like I will gladly quote piles of leading Dispensational Premillennialists in their own words to prove every word I have posted. You seem to have forgotten I was Dispensationally premillennial for twenty years. I know DPism backwards and forwards. I've read all the leading Dispensational Premillennialists from Darby forward and most of the precursors, too. You like to post Ice. There's nothing you ever posted by Ice I haven't already read. I will hapily use Ice to prove what I have posted.



Just as soon as you show me where scripture mentions another temple will be built in our future.



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Oh, I forgot. The antichrist enters into a pup tent and declares himself to be God. But, we know the antichrist can't do that because there is no pup tent present.
Your ability to not be able to connect dots is amazing. No temple now. None, Zero. Zilch. Natta....NO TEMPLE.....but 2 Thes 2:4 mentions a temple...YOU CAN GO AND READ IT. Maybe you've taken a black marky and drawn a line through the word TEMPLE.

Paul presents a temple in the future that the antichrist enters.....NO TEMPLE NOW.....unless they build a new temple...what will the antichrist enter into? A pup tent?

 

[CrowCross]

Great.

Will you now post the verse(s) that "mentions" another temple will be built in our future?

I'm sorry if it doesn't say it will be built....But, a thinking man understands if there is a temple mentioned in the future like in 2 Thes 2:4....and there is no temple now...ONE MUST BE BUILT. Pretty much a no brainer Josheb.

 

[Josheb]

Rev 11:1 Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.

That verse does not mention a temple being built in our future. It simply states John was told to measure the temple of God, its altar, and its outer court. It says the temple will be trampled for forty-two months. It says absolutely nothing about another temple being built. It says absolutely nothing about another temple being built in our future. Revelation 11:1 is part of a vision; it's not something John was ever told literally exists or would literally happen.

You posted "The Bible mentions a future temple," and I would like to read where the Bible says what you claim it says because there is no such verse in my Bible. You say we can deduce from Matt 32-35 "that the generation mentioned there is this current generation" but I cannot get anywhere near that because I cannot get a direct answer to the question,

Where does the Bible mention another temple will be built in our future?


Btw, there is no Matt 32-35. Matthew has only 28 chapters.

 

[CrowCross]

Would you please post the verse that mentions another temple will be built in our future?

Where does the temple in 2 Thes 2:4 come from? Do you think it will drop from the sky like the New Jerusalem?

 

[XrzrX]

Oh, I forgot. The antichrist enters into a pup tent and declares himself to be God. But, we know the antichrist can't do that because there is no pup tent present.
Your ability to not be able to connect dots is amazing. No temple now. None, Zero. Zilch. Natta....NO TEMPLE.....but 2 Thes 2:4 mentions a temple...YOU CAN GO AND READ IT. Maybe you've taken a black marky and drawn a line through the word TEMPLE.

Paul presents a temple in the future that the antichrist enters.....NO TEMPLE NOW.....unless they build a new temple...what will the antichrist enter into? A pup tent?

Funny you should mention.. "For I have not inhabited a house since the day I brought up the sons of Israel from Egypt, even to this day; but I have been going about in a tent, even in a tabernacle." 2 Sam 7:6

 

[CrowCross]

That verse does not mention a temple being built in our future. It simply states John was told to measure the temple of God,

face-palm.....considering there is no temple now....and John measures one....do you think Jesus planted a temple seed and it sprouted up? OR...do you think they BUILD ONE?

 

[Josheb]

Listen....I really don't care if you believe in a 3rd temple or not.

Well...

• I don't believe things not found in scripture.
• Your caring or lack thereof has nothing to do with this op.
• A lot of time and effort is being spent wastefully for someone claiming not to care, especially when it would be so much easier to just answer the question asked.
• That is nothing more than more obfuscation.

Where does the Bible mention another temple will be built in our future?
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[Josheb]

Where does the temple in 2 Thes 2:4 come from? Do you think it will drop from the sky like the New Jerusalem?

Where does the Bible mention another temple will be built in our future?

 

[Josheb]

face-palm.....considering there is no temple now....and John measures one....do you think Jesus planted a temple seed and it sprouted up? OR...do you think they BUILD ONE?

There was one standing when John wrote Revelation 12:4, and that text never states the temple in John's vision is real. Please do not continue posting as if you have already established a foundation for your posts when that has not even remotely occurred.


Where does the Bible mention another temple will be built in our future?

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[Arial]

Where does the temple in 2 Thes 2:4 come from? Do you think it will drop from the sky like the New Jerusalem?

It was right where it had been when it was rebuilt by returning Jews. In Jerusalem. Why do you act as though it weren't? Have we uncovered a glitch in the theory you were fed and bought into?