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Third Jewish Temple in Jerusalem

Exactly. I have only said that to him about twenty times. I don't suppose it will have any more acknowledgement this time around.
Yep. I saw that. Don't know why anyone would expect me to give a different answer given the facts of scripture.
 
Why do RCs guess wrong about all they do? God knows. You never addressed the scripture where Jesus states "these are the days of vengeance to fulfill all that was written.." in regard to the Destruction. What do you make of that?
I'm not sure what the context of your question is.
 
Where does 2 Thess 2:4 say that is another Temple besides the one that was standing at the time? Where does it say Paul is referring to a Temple besides the one that was standing or anything that states a third temple will be built?
Where does the bible teach the antichrist came into that temple and declare himself to be God?

When was the retrainer removed? Who was the restrainer?
 
Where does the bible teach the antichrist came into that temple and declare himself to be God?

When was the retrainer removed? Who was the restrainer?
It doesn't say the "antichrist". It says man of lawlessness. Titus or the Roman invaders could be a partial fulfillment of some later event. If that is the case, we are back to my first rendering of the temple of God referring to the Church as the building that is built (increased) with living stones into the temple of God. That could be the Pope as many Reformers thought, or a world system that takes over religion, persecuting Christians, disallowing their gathering together in buildings to worship.

The restrainer is God. The activity of the lawless one is going on now, through deceptions and false teaching entering the church,.. but its full force is restrained until Satan is released from not being able to deceive the nations. When that happens, it won't be localized and it will be world governments as the enforcer.

But all that deflecting still does not change the fact that the recipients of Paul's letters were never told of a third rebuilt temple or even that the one standing would some day not be standing. And they were not told of a seven year tribulation, or a rapture of the church from the earth prior to this tribulation, or a future thousand year reign of Jesus in Israel, or that during that time Jesus was dealing with the redemption of Israel by reinstating full temple worship, including sacrifices, in this rebuilt temple.
 
@ Thes. 2:4 does not actually state another temple will be built. It most definitely does not state another temple will be built in our future. It simply says some guy will set himself up in the temple as God. The fact is there was a temple standing when Paul wrote those words. The fact is there were two temples standing when Paul wrote those words and the original, first century readers would have understood those words in that context. They might have wondered, "Is Paul talking about the stone building in Jerusalem, or is he talking about the body of Christ?" :unsure::unsure::unsure: No way in heaven and earth they'd have thought, "Oh, Paul is talking about some other temple, a temple that is going to be built more than two millennia from now by a bunch of people we've never met after we're all long dead, buried, and resurrected." That interpretation is exegetically preposterous.

So..... my question still hasn't been answered. Neither the Revelation verse nor the 2 Thessalonian verse mentions another temple being built in our future.

I'll give you credit for the effort, and I appreciate the attempt because it finally came, but it is not an answer to the question asked. Neither verse mentions another temple built in our future. Give it one more try.

Where does scripture mention another temple will be built in our future?
Is there a temple standing now? yes or no.

Did Jesus return whe the second temple was destroyed? yes or no.
 
I'm not sure what the context of your question is.
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is at hand. Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the countryside must not enter the city; because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled." Luke 21:20-22. Do you think this is future?
 
Where does the bible specifically teach this?
Do you have another suggestion as to who could restrain him besides God?

Here is a verse: Job 42:2 "I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted."
 
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is at hand. Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the countryside must not enter the city; because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled." Luke 21:20-22. Do you think this is future?
Future.

For at that time there will be great tribulation, unseen from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again......Israel has seen worse tribulation through out its history.
Secondly, when was the days cut short?

I stand by future.
 
Do you have another suggestion as to who could restrain him besides God?

Here is a verse: Job 42:2 "I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted."
Yes.

I can see it as the Holy Spirit. You mentioned God. Though I don't know why you didn't say the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit leaves...so do the Spirit filled Christians.

The restrained could be the christians taken at the rapture. Becaue the christians are gone there are no more prayes to God asking God to come against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world’s darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
 
Future.

For at that time there will be great tribulation, unseen from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again......Israel has seen worse tribulation through out its history.
Secondly, when was the days cut short?

I stand by future.
The verse says "..these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are (present tense) written will be fulfilled." Contrast, "
"O nations, cause His people to shout for joy;
For He will avenge the blood of His slaves,
And He will render vengeance on His adversaries,
And He will atone for His land and His people.”... <-----When does God 'atone for His land and His people"?
 
The verse says "..these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are (present tense) written will be fulfilled." Contrast, "
"O nations, cause His people to shout for joy;
For He will avenge the blood of His slaves,
And He will render vengeance on His adversaries,
And He will atone for His land and His people.”... <-----When does God 'atone for His land and His people"?
Chapter and verse.
 
The verse says "..these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are (present tense) written will be fulfilled." Contrast, "
"O nations, cause His people to shout for joy;
For He will avenge the blood of His slaves,
And He will render vengeance on His adversaries,
And He will atone for His land and His people.”... <-----When does God 'atone for His land and His people"?
It starts here at the second coming..

Zech 14:On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward....this is future.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind......this is future.
 
It starts here at the second coming..

Zech 14:On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward....this is future.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind......this is future.
So God didn't atone for His people on the Cross?
 
Is there a temple standing now? yes or no.
You don't get to ask questions of me until some parity has been demonstrated by answering the question asked in Post 72. Please show me where scripture mentions another temple will be built in our future.
Did Jesus return when the second temple was destroyed? yes or no.
I'll answer this one even though I have already answered it, just so it cannot be said I haven't done my part. Yes, Jesus di come when the second temple was destroyed but he did not come as Dispensationalists say he has to come. The issue isn't a conflict with scripture. The issue is a conflict with Dispensational Premillennialism. The conflict starts right at the point when the Dispensational Premillennialists claims scripture mentions another temple will be built in our future but cannot point to a single scripture that actually states such and think and then tries to foist eisegetic interpretation of various scripture on other when they ask the DPer to account for his own claims.

There is no verse mentioning another temple built at all, much less one that says another temple will be built in our future.

Dispensationalists take any prophecy about any temple and assume it refers to our future because that's what the eschatology tells them to think. Dispensationalists take any prophecy about any temple and infer a futurist application because the scripture is used selectively, and all the surrounding texts and contexts are ignored.

EVERYTHING in Matthew 24 is tied to what Jesus said in Matthew 23 and what he said as he left the temple in Matthew 24. It is those comments that prompted the disciples to ask their question, "When will these things happen?"

They will happen when the temple is destroyed.

No one knows the day or the hour, but it will happen in this generation (not that generation). That is when it is going to happen. And along the way you disciples to whom I am now speaking are going to be handed over to tribulation (you're not going to be removed from the planet to escape it). The great tribulation comes after the abomination of desolation, and I just got done telling the Pharisees right in front of you that their house was left desolate. That desolation is abominable. I'll come after that.
It will not be the last time I come, but it will be the last time I come in this age. The ends of the ages have come upon you guys and you guys will be living in the last times, the last days...... of the temple's idolatry 😯. I will be replacing the temple with my body. This temple of stone you see will be torn down, and a new one will already have been built to replace it. It will be destroyed so there is no more confusion about where God dwells because He will dwell in you. You will become the temple of God, the house of God not built by human hands, the house of God that God built with His resurrected Son, the root of Jesse, the Son of David. You heard me tell the Jews when I entered the temple that this temple would be destroyed and I would rebuild it in three days. You will soon understand I was talking about my body. Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? After that you will see me coming on clouds of the sky. It will be just like it was in the days of Noah when the floods came and killed everyone except for those God had chosen to survive. The ones God chose remained to live with God in a covenant relationship, only by the time I come on the clouds of the sky..... sin and death will have been defeated.

How these things happened is of some debate because scripture does explain all the hows. Scripture does state when, though.

Unlike the Dispensationalist, I can actually point to verses in the Bible that actually say what I posted when asked to do so. We're nine pages of posts into this thread and I still have yet to see you post where scripture mentions another temple will be built in our future. It's because Dispensational Premillennialism is believed more than the Bible as written. We've spent several weeks now discussing many things and the threads all end the same: An inability to provide scripture that actually states what's claimed, an inability to reconcile claims with explicit statements in scripture, multiple occasions were sound exegesis is neglected, strawmen, shifting onuses, false equivalences, and ad hominem.

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question was asked one hundred and four posts ago and it remains unanswered despite it's having been asked multiple times. Not one attempt to answer it has actually answered the question asked. That failure speaks volumes about the veracity of Dispensational Premillennialism. The attempts to pass of verse that don't answer the question as if they do reinforces the poverty of modern futurism. It cannot answer multiple rudimentary inquiries directly related to its claims.

There should be no expectation I will answer any more of your questions until I read in this thread a verse that actually mentions another temple will be built, and built in our future.
 
Great response, and notice the conflation of both Solomon, and Jesus in the same prophey... but one fulfills a descendant that 'commits iniquity" which Solomon did, and Jesus didn't. Jesus even references it "The Queen of the South will rise up with this generation at the judgment and will condemn it, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, something greater than Solomon is here." Matt 12:42, He cites Sheba, who brought Solomon 666 talents of gold. It also speaks to the 'parallel' symmetry, of 2 different 'versions' of the same 'Milennial' prophesy, where it seems to indicate IF Israel had turned from wickedness they WOULD have had the different version of both Messiah, and Kingdom. The "Conquering" Messiah, in the way they expected.. that set up an earthly Kingdom. But, they didn't and this parallel is highlighted in the fact that Paul cites (in Rom 11:26)
“THE DELIVERER WILL COME "FROM" ZION,
HE WILL "REMOVE" UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”
“AND THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I "TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.”

Which is the inverse of (Isa 59:20)
“The Redeemer will come "TO" Zion,
to those in Jacob who TURN FROM transgression,” declares the LORD."

It's a massive statement.
One a "Redeemer", that comes "to them".. to conquer for and establish them as a Kingdom. (rejected)
The other a "Deliverer", that "came out from them" and had to save them because they didn't turn from iniquity and therefore had to "remove it from them".

And this is where 'Millennialism' trips so many up.
They are reading prophecy that was Conditional and was rejected.. and became fulfilled in Jesus.

Re conditional in the last line

But was it? Does Dan 2’s kingdom sound conditional?

Its mission was rejected, but there never was an option of ruling over the world like a government; the true Israel has a way of doing so but not what a Judaizer of that time thought.
 
You don't get to ask questions of me until some parity has been demonstrated by answering the question asked in Post 72. Please show me where scripture mentions another temple will be built in our future.
You start off like that then you expect me to read your long winded post? Seriously dude.
 
You start off like that then you expect me to read your long winded post? Seriously dude.
I expect you to answer the question asked and stay on topic. Revelation 12:4 and 2 Thes 2:4 do not do so. Everyone here understands you infer another from those two verses but that is not the same thing as scripture itself mentioning another temple will be built in our future. Everyone here also understand you believe another temple is implied by those verses in spite of the fact no one else in all of Christendom reads those two verses that way. We understand that happens because of the allegiance to Dispensational Premillennialism. We all understand this is what DP teaches, and this is your belief so you have been asked, "Where does scripture mention another temple will be built in our future?" and, so far, there is no answer to the question asked. You were not asked, "Where do you infer from scripture another temple will be built in our future?" You were asked where the scripture mention another temple will be built in our future. That was the claim made at the beginning of this discussion. Some leeway was even granted with the question asking you to explain what you mean when using the word "mentions" but that, too, has not been answered. It should not take 100+ posts to get an answer to the question asked.


Where does scripture mention another temple will be built in our future?


Keep this in mind: you are the representative futurist in this thread. The entire futurist argument depends upon your ability to prove your claims, your version of futurism and, so far, it's proven very difficult to find a verse that mentions another temple will be built in our future.

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