The second coming of Jesus and the resurrection of the dead

[Hobie]

Jesus' second coming is supposed to occur at a rapture of dead people coming out of graves along with alive people who both fly into the sky to meet Jesus on a cloud, which then turns into a commencement of 1000 years of Jesus being a king in the temple in Jerusalem.

If that is not a correct interpretation or it isn't true then what is it?

You will be taken up to heaven, not sit around the earth wandering around for a 1000 years, only Satan will be alive on the earth during that time. Revelation 20:2

 

[Hobie]

If you look in Gods Word it tells you how Christ will return:

And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they were looking steadfastly toward Heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, 'Ye men of Galilee; why stand ye gazing up into Heaven? This same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven'. Acts 1:9-11.

In the Clouds Together With His Angels:

Jesus was taken up into heaven by a cloud, and He will return in the clouds. The clouds refer to the angels of God that surround Him as can be seen in Hebrew parallelism.

The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels; the Lord is among them, as is Sinai, in the holy place. Psalm 68:17

...who maketh the clouds his chariots; who walketh upon the wings of the wind. Psalm 104:3

Jesus Himself promised that He would return with the clouds (the angels).

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels. 2 Thessalonians 1:7

When the Son of man shall come in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory.Matthew 25:31

The glory of Christ's coming surpasses anything we can imagine. He will return in the glory of His angels, and that of the Godhead:

...when He shall come in His own glory, and in His Father's and of the holy angels. Luke 9:26

The Second Coming Will be Universally Visible:

Behold He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him... Revelation 1:7

Christ warned against false comings of Christ that would not be universally visible.

Wherefore, if they shall say unto you, Behold he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers, believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:26,27

...they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

The Second Coming Will be Audible:

And he shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other. Matthew 24:31

The Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout and the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God... I Thessalonians 4:16

The Lord Will Not Come Down to the Earth, But Will Await the Redeemed in the Sky:

For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16,17

The Saints will be gathered together by angels and taken up into the air to meet the Lord in the sky. This is not a secret rapture as some believe.

And He will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 24:31

At the second coming, Christ calls forth the dead and sends forth His angels to gather the elect, and together they meet Him in the air. Christ Himself does not come down to the earth - His feet do not touch the earth. His command to His angels is:

Gather my saints together unto me, those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. Psalm 50:5

So if we study and see what scripture tells us about Christs Second Coming to take His saints to the heavenly kingdom, and understand how and what will occur, Satan will not be able to fool us not matter what he tries, and we will be prepared for Christ.

 

[TMSO]

One kingdom of the Father the Mesiah the Holy Father He named His bride Christian in Acts, a name to represent the virgin bride of all the nations as kingdoms of the world

Not all of Isreal became born again Israel, some remained after Jacob the deceiver. . no power of Christ's living words working in him with him . Jacob had no let there be power showing the good power of Christ's faithfulness. Power does not come from dying mankind leading toward the final appointment death never to rise to new spirit life. They are strengthened by spirit of all truth. a. labor of love

For Israel, they are either called through Abraham, the physical seed of Israel, or called through Isaac, the spiritual seed of Israel.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

"6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s [d]descendants, but: “[e]through Isaac your [f]descendants will be named.”"

 

[Eleanor]

If you look in Gods Word it tells you how Christ will return:

And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they were looking steadfastly toward Heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, 'Ye men of Galilee; why stand ye gazing up into Heaven? This same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven'. Acts 1:9-11.

In the Clouds Together With His Angels:

Jesus was taken up into heaven by a cloud, and He will return in the clouds. The clouds refer to the angels of God that surround Him as can be seen in Hebrew parallelism.

No, the NT writers knew the difference between angels and clouds.
Clouds refer to actual clouds.
Why the need to change the meaning of clouds?

The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels; the Lord is among them, as is Sinai, in the holy place. Psalm 68:17

...who maketh the clouds his chariots; who walketh upon the wings of the wind. Psalm 104:3

Jesus Himself promised that He would return with the clouds (the angels).

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels. 2 Thessalonians 1:7

When the Son of man shall come in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory.Matthew 25:31

The glory of Christ's coming surpasses anything we can imagine. He will return in the glory of His angels, and that of the Godhead:

...when He shall come in His own glory, and in His Father's and of the holy angels. Luke 9:26

The Second Coming Will be Universally Visible:

Behold He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him... Revelation 1:7

Christ warned against false comings of Christ that would not be universally visible.

Wherefore, if they shall say unto you, Behold he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers, believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:26,27

...they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

The Second Coming Will be Audible:

And he shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other. Matthew 24:31

The Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout and the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God... I Thessalonians 4:16

The Lord Will Not Come Down to the Earth, But Will Await the Redeemed in the Sky:

For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16,17

The Saints will be gathered together by angels and taken up into the air to meet the Lord in the sky. This is not a secret rapture as some believe.

And He will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 24:31

At the second coming, Christ calls forth the dead and sends forth His angels to gather the elect, and together they meet Him in the air. Christ Himself does not come down to the earth - His feet do not touch the earth. His command to His angels is:

Gather my saints together unto me, those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. Psalm 50:5

So if we study and see what scripture tells us about Christs Second Coming to take His saints to the heavenly kingdom, and understand how and what will occur, Satan will not be able to fool us not matter what he tries, and we will be prepared for Christ.

 

[Josheb]

You will be taken up to heaven, not sit around the earth wandering around for a 1000 years, only Satan will be alive on the earth during that time. Revelation 20:2

Let's take a look at larger relevant text of Rev. 20.

Revelation 20:1-10
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time. Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Satan is bound so he cannot deceive the nations further. When Satan is released from his boundedness he deceives the nations in the earth's four corners, comes to a broad plain of the earth, and surrounds the camps of the saints. It would appear, according to the text of Rev. 20, there are saints on earth during the 1000 years of Revelation 20. Furthermore, as I have previously repeatedly pointed out to you and all the other modern futurists in this forum, nowhere does the text explicitly report Jesus is physically on the earth until chapter 21. In fact, the book of Revelation does not explicitly report Jesus comes to earth anywhere in any of its chapters until chapters 21-22, when the new city of peace descends to earth with Christ at its center.

Revelation 22:18-19
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Dispensational Premillennialism and its modern futurist kin add to and subtract from the book of Revelation. Post #201 certainly does.

 

[Mr GLee]

Let's take a look at larger relevant text of Rev. 20.

Revelation 20:1-10
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time. Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Satan is bound so he cannot deceive the nations further. When Satan is released from his boundedness he deceives the nations in the earth's four corners, comes to a broad plain of the earth, and surrounds the camps of the saints. It would appear, according to the text of Rev. 20, there are saints on earth during the 1000 years of Revelation 20. Furthermore, as I have previously repeatedly pointed out to you and all the other modern futurists in this forum, nowhere does the text explicitly report Jesus is physically on the earth until chapter 21. In fact, the book of Revelation does not explicitly report Jesus comes to earth anywhere in any of its chapters until chapters 21-22, when the new city of peace descends to earth with Christ at its center.

Revelation 22:18-19
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Dispensational Premillennialism and its modern futurist kin add to and subtract from the book of Revelation. Post #201 certainly does.

Yes no longer having the power of deceiving all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man, dying mankind.

Lucifer the father of lies continues to accuse the brethren day an night causing doubt continue until the last day under the Sun .

When the vail which represent the foreskin our bloody husband Christ as circumcision. When it was rent there was no dying Jewish man as King of kings and Lord of lords. . Satan fell .

The witness of two in that parable below . Twice using bloody husband as a metaphor in that parable to emphasize.

God was going to kill the second born Eliezer the spiritual seed ( Christ)

Zipporah as a priestess intervened like that of Abraham and Isaac She is used to represent the whole church as the bride she provided the suffering sacrifice the foreskin . Like the Ram used with Abraham and Isaac

Exodus 4:24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him .Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

Genesis 22: 13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

 

[Hobie]

No, the NT writers knew the difference between angels and clouds.
Clouds refer to actual clouds.
Why the need to change the meaning of clouds?

Christ Himself clearly said the manner He would come.
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mark 8:38
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Luke 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

So is that one or two angels or a innumerable cloud of angels, think about that.

 

[Mr GLee]

Christ Himself clearly said the manner He would come.

Christ is here working in the temples not made with human hands.

Holy messengers as apostles. How beautiful are there feet.

No a invisible creation spoken of . Not one mention

Its two walking together with Emanuel

Christ in us the hope of His glory . Not a legion of angels as if God who has no needs needed help performing his good (let there be) works in us

God is not a Jewish man as King of kings. The vail was rent there was no king of kings (dying mankind)

.Like the Wizard of Oz Loud voice of the father of lies no power.

 

[Eleanor]

Christ Himself clearly said the manner He would come.
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mark 8:38
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Luke 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

So is that one or two angels or a innumerable cloud of angels, think about that.

He will come with both clouds and angels.

Why the need to deny the plain text?

 

[Mr GLee]

He will come with both clouds and angels.

Why the need to deny the plain text?

When he comes will he be visible?

 

[Eleanor]

When he comes will he be visible?

Was be visible to the human eye when he left?

 

[Mr GLee]

Was be visible to the human eye when he left?

Yes before he died and body returned to dust his spirt of life returned to the Father .awaiting the wake up call on the last day under the Sun.

One three day and night demonstration of the two was all that was offered .

Some crucify him over and over as if he did not die the first time

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more

God is not a Jewish man as king of kings a wile of the devil .