No one is disputing Jesus is coming back. The dispute is over the premise the rapture is separated from the so called "Second Coming." The two are not separate events. they are part of a sequence involved in the same event and they are not separated by
years. This becomes increasingly understood when the particulars of modern futurism and the way modern futurists (mis)use scripture. I've been trying to get you and
@brightfame52 to answer some very simple, basic questions that are directly related to statements the two of you have posted, such as, W
Where does scripture
explicitly state the white horse left heaven?
But it proves impossible to have that kind of discussion with any modern futurist.
Can you show me a verse that explicitly states the Trinity? No connecting dots.
No, I cannot. The reason I cannot provide a verse that explicitly states the Trinity is because the word "
trinity" is a man-made word that was coined after the canon of scripture was closed. What I can do is provide verses that explicitly state Christ's divinity and the Spirit's divinity. Because the word "
trinity" is a doctrinal term AND because I can provide relevant explicit statements
the appeal to the Trinity is a false equivalence.
Which means, once again, a modern futurist avoids questions that should be easily and readily answered
honestly, defends his position with logical fallacy, and avoids the questions never answering them. It proves Dispensational Premillennialism (and the other versions of modern futurisms) are bad methodology, not just bad content, and the theology corrupts its adherent to do these things routinely without ever repenting aor ever being accountable for the subterfuge.
I've answered every op-relevant question I've been asked in this thread. You have not. Were you to ask me which verse explicitly states the white horse has left heaven I would provide and immediate, direct, honest, and correct answer:
There is no verse that explicitly states any such thing. That position is reached solely by an inferential reading of scripture whereby the Dispensational Premillennial viewpoint is used as the measure of scripture.
But that is most definitely NOT what either of you have done. You haven't answered relevant questions when asked even though you could.
Josh: Which verse in the Bible explicitly states the white horse leaves heaven.
CrowCross: There is no verse that explicitly states any such thing. That position is reached solely by an inferential reading of scripture whereby the Dispensational Premillennial viewpoint is used as the measure of scripture.
Josh: Thank you for that answer. I agree. Since there is no verse that actually states the white horse leaves heaven
and that position is reached solely by inference, why do you favor an eisegetically inferential interpretation of scripture over a literal reading of what's stated, and a building of inferences based on what is explicitly stated?
CrowCross:
Because scripture never mentions three-head ballywogs, some prophet mentioned horses, you're a (insert preferred epithet) , the tribulation is seven years long?, he's coming back soon and he wasn't riding a horse when he left, strawman, non sequitur, red herring, false equivalence, etc.
Josh: Oh. I see. I'm not going to get an answer to the question asked, am I? Instead of an immediate, direct, honest and correct answer I'll have to ask the question multiple time and suffer through multiple pages of non-answers, digressions, and irrational commentary..... and in the end still never receive and actual answer to the question that was asked
.
That is what it's like for every non-Dispensationalist trying to discuss Dispensational Premillennialism with a Dispensational Premillennialist in a nutshell. It simply cannot be done. The sad part is no modern futurist ever set out to be
that kind of Christian! They do not set out to be individuals who cannot give a polite and respectfully, reasonable and rational, cogent and coherent case for what they believe, or individuals who will not be
accountable for what they preach. Two Christians should never reach the point at which we're at in this thread! I've already provided the correct answer to the question asked but I am going to give you the opportunity to answer it anyway:
Which verse explicitly states the white horse left heaven?
There is a correct and answer
and that correct answer is one that is very easy to provide. Once it is answered correctly and
collaboratively, we might be able to move forward with the discussion of this op.
