The Process of Creation and Redemption

[Jarhead4Jesus]

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[Josheb]

The link does not work.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

Here are directions to it's location on the site. No idea what happened to the posted link.

https://7049biblicaltimelineresearch.org > Charts & Diagrams > The Process of Creation and Redemption

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

Another attempt to add as attachment.

 

[CrowCross]

Another attempt to add as attachment.

OK, what's your point???

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

It's a graphical depiction of scripture as a process.

 

[Arial]

Another attempt to add as attachment.

Clicking on that will direct it to a person's private files and there it will be. Cancel, don't save, as the staff has no idea if it is safe or not.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

Clicking on that will direct it to a person's private files and there it will be. Cancel, don't save, as the staff has no idea if it is safe or not.

It is indeed a secure website.

 

[CrowCross]

OK, what's your point???

OK, there wsn't much to it.

 

[Josheb]

It's a graphical depiction of scripture as a process.

No, it is not. It's a man-made invention that radically departs from scripture.

Take, for example, the fact that Jesus explicitly stated to his disciples, "You will be delivered to tribulation," and then later in the same teaching told them, "...pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation..." What Jesus did NOT state was, "The Christians living two millennia from now will be delivered to tribulation," or "Christians living in the twenty-first century won't need to worry about their flight because they'll have already been raptured off the planet."

There is nothing prophetic about that timeline.

Revelation 1:9
I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

John was a partaker in the tribulation and the kingdom.

Revelation 7:13-14
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?" I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Christians went through the great tribulation. They were not raptured off the planet to avoid it.

 

[CrowCross]

Take, for example, the fact that Jesus explicitly stated to his disciples, "You will be delivered to tribulation," and then later in the same teaching told them, "...pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation..." What Jesus did NOT state was, "The Christians living two millennia from now will be delivered to tribulation," or "Christians living in the twenty-first century won't need to worry about their flight because they'll have already been raptured off the planet."

On a scale between zero and ten...where would you place that tribulation?

 

[Josheb]

On a scale between zero and ten...where would you place that tribulation?

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[Jarhead4Jesus]

No, it is not. It's a man-made invention that radically departs from scripture.

Take, for example, the fact that Jesus explicitly stated to his disciples, "You will be delivered to tribulation," and then later in the same teaching told them, "...pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation..." What Jesus did NOT state was, "The Christians living two millennia from now will be delivered to tribulation," or "Christians living in the twenty-first century won't need to worry about their flight because they'll have already been raptured off the planet."

There is nothing prophetic about that timeline.

Revelation 1:9
I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

John was a partaker in the tribulation and the kingdom.

Revelation 7:13-14
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?" I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Christians went through the great tribulation. They were not raptured off the planet to avoid it.

This response comes across angry, and is completely irrelevant to the subject matter in the attachment.

 

[Josheb]

This response comes across angry, and is completely irrelevant to the subject matter in the attachment.

Correction: The post might be received as angry, but it does not "come across" in any way the reader does not assign to it. Stop being defensive and take the words as written as objectively as possible.

That graphic is NOT a representation of scripture. It is a graphical representation of a specific eschatological point of view, not scripture. Big difference. Post 6 is factually incorrect. No anger needed, wanted, asserted directly or implied.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

Correction: The post might be received as angry, but it does not "come across" in any way the reader does not assign to it. Stop being defensive and take the words as written as objectively as possible.

That graphic is NOT a representation of scripture. It is a graphical representation of a specific eschatological point of view, not scripture. Big difference. Post 6 is factually incorrect. No anger needed, wanted, asserted directly or implied.

Let he who can receive it, receive it.

 

[Josheb]

Let he who can receive it, receive it.

Likewise.

You, @Jarhead4Jesus, hold end times views that fall within what is called Dispensational Premillennialism. Are you aware of that?

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

Likewise.

You, @Jarhead4Jesus, hold end times views that fall within what is called Dispensational Premillennialism. Are you aware of that?

I do indeed.

 

[Josheb]

I do indeed.

I appreciate the direct, immediate, and succinct answer. Thank you very much.

• Are you aware Dispensational Premillennialism was literally invented in the 19th century?
• Despite its current popularity among a large number of Christians, are you aware it is an eschatological position that is not held by most of Christendom?

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[CrowCross]

Are you aware Dispensational Premillennialism was literally invented in the 19th century?

This is a false statement and you should stop using it.

 

[Josheb]

This is a false statement and you should stop using it.

No, it is not a false statement. I can prove Dispensationalism was invented in the 19th century and you should be mindful of Proverbs 26:17. @Jarhead4Jesus can and should answer my questions asked specifically of him for himself. When I want to know your answers to my questions then I will ask you and you already have a bad record of avoiding answers when asked valid relevant questions. Jarhead is quite capable of speaking for himself and articulating his own views. He does not need your interference. If you would like to take up the history of Dispensational Premillennialism with me then start an op and PM me. I will gladly post a reply.

From Wiki:

"Dispensational premillennialism generally holds that Israel and the Church are distinct entities. It also widely holds to the pretribulational return of Christ, which believes that Jesus will return to take up Christians into heaven by means of a rapture immediately before a seven-year worldwide tribulation. This will be followed by an additional return of Christ with his saints (though there are post tribulation dispensationalists, such as Robert Gundry).​

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Dispensationalism traces its roots to the 1830s and John Nelson Darby (1800–1882), an Anglican churchman and an early leader of the Plymouth Brethren. In the US, the dispensational form of premillennialism was propagated on the popular level largely through the Scofield Reference Bible and on the academic level with Lewis Sperry Chafer's eight-volume Systematic Theology."​

The roots of DPism are traced to the 1830s and John Darby. The dispensational form of premillennialism was propagated by Scofield and Chafer (the founder of Dallas Theological Seminary). I can quote Chafer, Ryrie, Walvoord, Ice, Vlach, and many other leading Dispensational Premillennialists in their own words self-attributing the origins of Dispensational Premillennialism to the 19th century. Dispensationalists try to obfuscate the truth by arguing writing about dispensations and writings about premillennial viewpoints preceded Darby but that is not the same thing as Dispensational Premillennialism. Men bent metal into shields as early the Bronze Age and the first steam engine was made in 1698. That does not mean modern automobiles existed in the 1700s. Dispensationalists (like William Watson) who make such arguments misrepresent the facts to deceive others into believing their modern man-made doctrines. Dispensational Premillennialism teaches a completely different from of premillennialism than that which has ever been held in Christendom historically. Dispensational Premillennialism was invented in the 19th century.





Dispensational Premillennialism was invented in the 19th century, and I am simply asking @Jarhead4Jesus, not you, if he is aware of that fact, and whether he is aware it is not the prominent eschatology held in Christendom. He can answer those two questions for himself without any fact-denying help from you.