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The parable of the fig tree and "this generation"

The only thing the disciples were getting was that, it's not yet. Right up to Acts 1 when they ask again. And Jesus did not tell them there was no physical kingdom. He said it is not for them to know the times and seasons established by the Father. There was no no. There was a, you are going to have to wait, and it isn't for you to know the Father's business. Since when does a King tell the common people His business? There business is to do the bidding of their King, and that is it. Our's is not to question why, but to do and die, right? The restoral of the kingdom is in the future, and after that, the eternal kingdom and NHNE.

This misses what is immediately said in reply in Acts 1. You will be clothed with power.

The clothiers term is priest robes.

The power is the kingdoms authority: since he has been enthroned, all rulers and ordinary people must ‘honor the Son’ as King lest he be angry and crush them to pieces.

This happened at Pentecost and the 2 additional talks.

There is a single line in these 3 talks about the future restoration of all the earth but I do not see anything Judaic or Davidic about it in light of the clothing and empowering. It is the whole earth. There is nothing in either Acts 13, 15, or 26 because the current fulfillment is so complete. And in 26 the current is specifically meant to be followed by Israel rather than the hopes of Judaism at the temple.
 
The same way you did. You didn't know. John saw it in a vision. He was there (in a way).

Yes.

Again, that wouldn't that mean that this kingdom of His (you say), with all its sin and decadence, is a direct reflection of Him as the ruler, even though it is clear that it is still a direct reflection of Satan, which means that he still has dominion? God has not ejected him yet. Jesus is sitting at the Father's right hand until... (I would say until He takes that scroll in hand, and beings the work of redeeming the creation, and taking back His inheritance.) I put forward that this is future still. Why? God still has an elect out there to save, and He isn't going to let them perish.

Didn't know.
I would say that is the very weakness of what you are saying. If it wasn't in any of the letters, and if you follow what Barnett said about the destructive events of the Jewish War, and that John did not expect Christ for some great length of time, then the so-called millenium is simply a reference to that huge length of time until the end.

The Rev is how Christ is revealed through the destructive events. It is not "further" in the sense that it is another Gospel.

In addition you have all the force of the NT saying that the time is now fulfilled: Jn 4: 'the time is coming and now is...' He said the same thing about the resurrection in a couple chapters. Ie, the thing long-awaited has come.
 
The same way you did. You didn't know. John saw it in a vision. He was there (in a way).

Yes.

Again, that wouldn't that mean that this kingdom of His (you say), with all its sin and decadence, is a direct reflection of Him as the ruler, even though it is clear that it is still a direct reflection of Satan, which means that he still has dominion? God has not ejected him yet. Jesus is sitting at the Father's right hand until... (I would say until He takes that scroll in hand, and beings the work of redeeming the creation, and taking back His inheritance.) I put forward that this is future still. Why? God still has an elect out there to save, and He isn't going to let them perish.

"all its sin and decadence"
Gosh it is really hard to communicate what the NT is saying to you. Why is that? His kingdom has no sin and decadence. You must be speaking of the other one, which is competing, which will be abolished at the end. Do you get it now? The overlap? If you don't know what eschatological overlap is, you need to completely start over NT theology.

The kingdom is imperative and therefore dangerous. It makes rulers shake, because they are responsible to it!
 
That speaks of the millennium kingdom. He must reign until He puts His enemies under His feet, the last enemy being death. When do we see death destroyed? At the end of the millennium. When do we see His enemies as His footstool? The beginning of the millennium.

Again, there is the eternal kingdom, but there was a theocracy of Israel that was rejected, then a human royalty/kingdom, and at the millennium, the God-King Messiah will reign in a kingdom restored to Israel. This is to fulfill the promises of Old Testament prophecy. That which the disciples asked about, of which Jesus NEVER said no. This is not the eternal kingdom. When we reach the consummation of the age, it is all wrapped into the new, and into the eternal kingdom. Once the final enemy has been destroyed, and He returns the kingdom to the Father. (The creation)
v25 "now reigning."
Not a chance that this is about the millenium. Read the flow of meaning. Paul is not jumping to scenes X000 years from now and saying ka-ching here is where the puzzle is solved. It is the normal present tense meaning because he has called him King, he has extolled him as already having a name above all names and titles, he has the same view of the enthronement by resurrection that you find in Peter.

You are not dealing with the transfer of oaths made in Is 55. We must follow the apostle's exposition, not our theories about the future. I shouldn't have to say this! It should be common knowledge that they are the original custodians of the 40 days of teaching.

You simply don't understand the term imperative.
 
the millenium
One of the communication problems here TMSO is that you have adopted the slur-of-speech of dispensationalism about the millenium. That is, the only legit belief in it is at a future point. Anyone who disagrees is villified as a-millenial, which obscures the grammar and implies that futurist D'ism is the truth. The real question is whether it is or not.

But the truth is that the 'very long reign' (1000 being a common metaphor/figure of speech) is believed in, in non-D'ist ways. It began at the enthronement/resurrection (Acts 2-4, Rom 1, Eph 1, Phil 2, Heb 1-2).

So, it is best to say that I am a a-D'ist-millenialist. I am not failing to believe in the long reign.
 
That speaks of the millennium kingdom. He must reign until He puts His enemies under His feet, the last enemy being death. When do we see death destroyed? At the end of the millennium. When do we see His enemies as His footstool? The beginning of the millennium.

Again, there is the eternal kingdom, but there was a theocracy of Israel that was rejected, then a human royalty/kingdom, and at the millennium, the God-King Messiah will reign in a kingdom restored to Israel. This is to fulfill the promises of Old Testament prophecy. That which the disciples asked about, of which Jesus NEVER said no. This is not the eternal kingdom. When we reach the consummation of the age, it is all wrapped into the new, and into the eternal kingdom. Once the final enemy has been destroyed, and He returns the kingdom to the Father. (The creation)

The Reformation position I mentioned was practical civics, not a "theology." It says that us believers are members of two kingdoms overlapping and enveloped. That is why we can work in political structures on the basis of natural law, not as evangelists, except occasionally. It is to prevent things like Rome's "theology" where Caesarianism was tried as a bonding belief system; it failed. If you know Roman history previous, you know that it even failed Roman virtues, and that's why middle-class Romans helped Christians escape Nero, whom they rejected as a model of Roman thought. The 'enveloping' means that Christians seek order (Rom 13, I Peter) so that there is a stable environment for the Gospel's mission.

Shattering Caesarianism is precisely what Dan 2 was speaking of. The mountain of the Lord was set in place, out of the dust of shattering the human image. This has been the case since Christ. There is no busted up futurism in Dan 2 at all, nada, zip, zero. Nor in 8 or 9. And only 9 was quoted directly about the opposing person in the temple who ruins the country in the mid 1st cent.
 
New Earth same as the old? It will be New Earth. When Jesus speaks of the burning up of the "works of the earth" He speaks of sin. The sin corrupted creation will be destroyed. God will have nothing to do with sin. The NHNE are untouched by sin. Uncorrupted. A reflection of the Creator.
No, the heavens and the earth would be changed, as Hebrews 1:12 tells us. "And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed..." This was not to annihilate the planet or the heavens, but to change the conditions in them so as to make their environment entirely new by the process. This has literally happened already back in the AD 70 period. The conditions in the heavens and the earth today are not what they were before that point.

Isaiah 65's description of the NHNE environment mentions the presence of sinners in it (Is. 65:20), so this NHNE cannot be referring to the eternal state at the culmination of fallen mankind's history on this planet (when the presence of all remaining human evil will be gone). When 2 Peter 3:10 wrote about the "works therein shall be burnt up", he was referring to the physical works of men's hands being burned up (like the 2nd temple) - not a destruction of all sin or the sin nature being burned up. Hebrews 12:27 also refers to this shaking process for the heavens and the earth that would "remove" those "things that are made", so that the unshaken spiritual realities of the NHNE under the conditions of the New Covenant would remain. You are trying to make the NHNE the period on the end of a sentence, when it was the semi-colon instead.
Um... no. It is all power and authority, as HE would be the power and authority. You are not talking about literal fulfillment of prophecy.
What do you think happened when God physically got rid of the high priesthood system and the physical temple which it served? These were physical, literal realities that were shaken and removed during the AD 66-70 period. Christ alone was left unchallenged as the Great High Priest without any rival elements of the Levitical high priesthood functioning anymore. He is the only power and authority as the "Head of all things to the church". That is power, and that is authority.
He is still here. Where do you think aliens come from. There are no such things as aliens. If you want to study aliens, study demonology and you can find out all about it.
I have certainly done a study on demonology, and found that God got rid of them all by the close of AD 70. Satan is NOT still here, and neither are his devils and the unclean spirits either.

You do understand that outside of the New Jerusalem is where those who are gnashing their teeth are located in the darkness, right? Never allowed into God's Kingdom.
Those gnashing their teeth and weeping was the judgment of the living unbelievers trapped in Jerusalem who saw the resurrected saints joining Christ as He left the Mount of Olives to return to heaven with all of them back in AD 70.

Nope. That is simply wrong. The Antichrist has yet to be unveiled. The Antichrist has yet to be destroyed. The Antichrist is the beast that came out of the abyss, which is the area of demonic power/activity. The Antichrist will literally be the embodiment of evil. (Some say, the devil will possess him and force the whole world to worship him and not God. And to worship him AS God. And he will get that for a short while, before Jesus destroys him and all who follow him.
As long as you remain in the Pre-mil camp, you will believe this. But it all runs contrary to the way scripture speaks about the Antichrist / antichrists and the other Beast characters. Antichrists are never equated with being the Beast. This is a teaching that is force-fed into the passages. Scripture never says the entire world will worship the Antichrist / Man of Lawlessness - only that he will "exalt himself" over those who were being called god and given homage as if they were God. These antichrists were fellow Zealot leaders who also, just like the Man of Lawlessness, wanted to claim the Messiah the Prince role as the savior of Israel. The Man of Lawlessness exalted himself over all of these other antichrist pretenders, and was able to get into the 2nd temple and present himself as the King of the Jews in that location. Ancient history.
 
This misses what is immediately said in reply in Acts 1. You will be clothed with power.

The clothiers term is priest robes.

The power is the kingdoms authority: since he has been enthroned, all rulers and ordinary people must ‘honor the Son’ as King lest he be angry and crush them to pieces.

This happened at Pentecost and the 2 additional talks.

There is a single line in these 3 talks about the future restoration of all the earth but I do not see anything Judaic or Davidic about it in light of the clothing and empowering. It is the whole earth. There is nothing in either Acts 13, 15, or 26 because the current fulfillment is so complete. And in 26 the current is specifically meant to be followed by Israel rather than the hopes of Judaism at the temple.
So I guess the gifts are nothing?
 
"all its sin and decadence"
Gosh it is really hard to communicate what the NT is saying to you. Why is that? His kingdom has no sin and decadence. You must be speaking of the other one, which is competing, which will be abolished at the end. Do you get it now? The overlap? If you don't know what eschatological overlap is, you need to completely start over NT theology.
Did you just redefine sin and decadence, or are you blind to what is going on around us? When you look at Revelation, you have the world being purged of Satan and his kingdom. Then you have Jesus Davidic kingdom on Earth, during which Satan is safely tucked away in some bottomless pit somewhere, no longer deceiving the nations of the world. At the end of that time, Satan gets takes one last parting shot before Jesus destroys him and death, and the world, with sin, melts in fervent heat, and this corrupted creation is destroyed. It is replaced by a NHNE.
The kingdom is imperative and therefore dangerous. It makes rulers shake, because they are responsible to it!
 
v25 "now reigning."
Not a chance that this is about the millenium. Read the flow of meaning. Paul is not jumping to scenes X000 years from now and saying ka-ching here is where the puzzle is solved. It is the normal present tense meaning because he has called him King, he has extolled him as already having a name above all names and titles, he has the same view of the enthronement by resurrection that you find in Peter.

You are not dealing with the transfer of oaths made in Is 55. We must follow the apostle's exposition, not our theories about the future. I shouldn't have to say this! It should be common knowledge that they are the original custodians of the 40 days of teaching.

You simply don't understand the term imperative.
Again, there is sin throughout creation because of the ruler of creation. Who is that ruler?
 
No, the heavens and the earth would be changed, as Hebrews 1:12 tells us. "And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed..." This was not to annihilate the planet or the heavens, but to change the conditions in them so as to make their environment entirely new by the process. This has literally happened already back in the AD 70 period. The conditions in the heavens and the earth today are not what they were before that point.
What did Jesus say? It would be burnt up, melt with fervent heat, along with the "works of the earth", which I believe to be the sin that corrupts the creation.
Isaiah 65's description of the NHNE environment mentions the presence of sinners in it (Is. 65:20), so this NHNE cannot be referring to the eternal state at the culmination of fallen mankind's history on this planet (when the presence of all remaining human evil will be gone). When 2 Peter 3:10 wrote about the "works therein shall be burnt up", he was referring to the physical works of men's hands being burned up (like the 2nd temple) - not a destruction of all sin or the sin nature being burned up.
You need to be the word sin, before saying anything about Isaiah 65:20. I know, it is so much easier not to actually "read" the passage to understand how words are being used. The word sin here is not sin as in evil, but is sin as in missing the mark. The mark here is living to be over 100 years. (Sin is an archery term, that means to miss the mark or standard.) The one who fails to reach 100 years will be lightly esteemed. This is all saying that those living in the new earth will live a long time. However, I believe most believe that everyone will be immortal. That would give some context to what is being said here. There will be no one living less than 100 years.
Hebrews 12:27 also refers to this shaking process for the heavens and the earth that would "remove" those "things that are made", so that the unshaken spiritual realities of the NHNE under the conditions of the New Covenant would remain. You are trying to make the NHNE the period on the end of a sentence, when it was the semi-colon instead.
"25 See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, [i]much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven. 26 And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heaven.” 27 This expression, “Yet once more,” denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us [j]show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is a consuming fire."

What remains? Not creation. The Kingdom remains. "Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken..."
What do you think happened when God physically got rid of the high priesthood system and the physical temple which it served? These were physical, literal realities that were shaken and removed during the AD 66-70 period. Christ alone was left unchallenged as the Great High Priest without any rival elements of the Levitical high priesthood functioning anymore. He is the only power and authority as the "Head of all things to the church". That is power, and that is authority.
I think you a reading way too much into things simply because of your beliefs, and not because there is any actual scriptural backing.
I have certainly done a study on demonology, and found that God got rid of them all by the close of AD 70. Satan is NOT still here, and neither are his devils and the unclean spirits either.
I highly recommend you look into Gary Bates, and his studies on aliens. He does a very good job of proving it to be demons. UFOs and such, have been bound to the occult since before Walter Martin, who did a lot of study in the area. His cameraman captured an accepted photo of a UFO. To them it wasn't a question of whether they exist, but what are they.
Those gnashing their teeth and weeping was the judgment of the living unbelievers trapped in Jerusalem who saw the resurrected saints joining Christ as He left the Mount of Olives to return to heaven with all of them back in AD 70.
Again, nope. That is the reaction of the "children of the kingdom" who rejected their Messiah, and are as such, locked outside the gates of the eternal kingdom. They were right there, had it all, and now its lost. It will be such agony that it is pictured as wailing and gnashing of teeth. A good anime can show you what that looks like.
As long as you remain in the Pre-mil camp, you will believe this. But it all runs contrary to the way scripture speaks about the Antichrist / antichrists and the other Beast characters. Antichrists are never equated with being the Beast. This is a teaching that is force-fed into the passages. Scripture never says the entire world will worship the Antichrist / Man of Lawlessness - only that he will "exalt himself" over those who were being called god and given homage as if they were God. These antichrists were fellow Zealot leaders who also, just like the Man of Lawlessness, wanted to claim the Messiah the Prince role as the savior of Israel. The Man of Lawlessness exalted himself over all of these other antichrist pretenders, and was able to get into the 2nd temple and present himself as the King of the Jews in that location. Ancient history.
You run contrary to scripture when you speak of the Antichrist (which the Bible presents as a singular apex person surrounded by antichrists), demons, Satan, etc. The Antichrist is the beast. It is as forced on scripture as the trinity. And it does say that the whole world will worship. Revelation is very clear on this fact. This is why Babylon is destroyed. The antichrist is as close to incarnation as Satan will ever get, and he will not suffer worship of anyone but himself. He even called for Jesus, God Himself, to worship him. Did you know that, save for the fire that destroyed the temple, Vesperian ALMOST caused another abomination of desolation event? He had already planned it out. He was only stopped because you kind of need a temple to be able to do that. It was never his plan to destroy the temple.
 
Did you just redefine sin and decadence, or are you blind to what is going on around us? When you look at Revelation, you have the world being purged of Satan and his kingdom. Then you have Jesus Davidic kingdom on Earth, during which Satan is safely tucked away in some bottomless pit somewhere, no longer deceiving the nations of the world. At the end of that time, Satan gets takes one last parting shot before Jesus destroys him and death, and the world, with sin, melts in fervent heat, and this corrupted creation is destroyed. It is replaced by a NHNE.

You are treating the kingdom as though it was all of history ever since. It refers to the imperative about Christ since the resurrection, which has to exist side-by-side with the evil on this world, as is the picture of the Rev; at the end of the very long reign of Christ, evil increases and harasses the believers. There are parables saying this too--the kingdom grows with weeds all around.

Your categories are too black and white, too all or nothing, have no understanding of the 'overlap' of eschatology.
 
Again, there is sin throughout creation because of the ruler of creation. Who is that ruler?


You have to understand the eschatological overlap to continue.
 
Again, there is sin throughout creation because of the ruler of creation. Who is that ruler?

But God has invaded and enthroned his Son, so there is competition against his.
 
The power that envelopes the believer is seen through gifts, and all that the Holy Spirit does through the believer. Ephesians 1 tells us what the Holy Spirit is given for, and says that the Holy Spirit is the earnest, the guarantee, of our inheritance until we take material possession. Sounds different then what you seem to be saying.
 
The power that envelopes the believer is seen through gifts, and all that the Holy Spirit does through the believer. Ephesians 1 tells us what the Holy Spirit is given for, and says that the Holy Spirit is the earnest, the guarantee, of our inheritance until we take material possession. Sounds different then what you seem to be saying.

Nothing to disagree with here bc it was never the topic
 
I highly recommend you look into Gary Bates, and his studies on aliens. He does a very good job of proving it to be demons. UFOs and such, have been bound to the occult since before Walter Martin, who did a lot of study in the area. His cameraman captured an accepted photo of a UFO. To them it wasn't a question of whether they exist, but what are they.
Why should I believe someone who writes against scripture's own testimony of what happened to the entire Satanic realm and when that was accomplished? If anyone writes anything contrary to scripture - even though it be an angel - Paul said to consider them accursed. And in case anyone thought Paul was kidding, he repeated his statement twice that these are accursed.
The Antichrist is the beast.
NO. Scripture never says that. You are inventing a shared identity that scripture never says is a fact. Please submit a text that says they are one and the same. You will look in vain.
 
Why should I believe someone who writes against scripture's own testimony of what happened to the entire Satanic realm and when that was accomplished? If anyone writes anything contrary to scripture - even though it be an angel - Paul said to consider them accursed. And in case anyone thought Paul was kidding, he repeated his statement twice that these are accursed.

NO. Scripture never says that. You are inventing a shared identity that scripture never says is a fact. Please submit a text that says they are one and the same. You will look in vain.
Amen John is the only biblical writer to mention the antichrist and the beast and he names and describes them differently and even gives them a different purpose
 
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