The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

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Whom the Lord Loveth, He chastens !

This fact alone is proof that God does not Love all men without exception, because as it is written Heb 12:6-7

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Are all Sons ? Of course not, neither are all Loved by God !

Rev 3:19

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Jesus specifically says here "As many as I love" I chasten !

Why doesnt He just say, I love all without exception, so i will chasten all without exception ? The very fact that He qualifies whom He Loves by saying "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten" proves that His Love is Limited to an exact amount of Sons !

Who is it limited to ? Lets look at Heb 12:7

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Why its the Sons of God Gal 4:6

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Now everyone Christ died for and redeemed automatically received the Adoption of Sons Gal 4:4-5

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that[hina purpose clause] we might receive the adoption of son

And because that was so, God sends forth the Spirit of His Son in our hearts !

And none are the Sons whom God is not the Father of as implied when Jesus spoke to certain jews Jn 8:42

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

We may safely conclude therefore that none who do not come to Love Christ, of which Paul writes of them 1 Cor 16:22

22 If any man[jew or gentile,black or white] love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Because they are not Sons, and Not Loved by God ! They are exempt from being any of these Jn 3:16 ! 13

 

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Will God's Love be in them He so Loved ?

There is a World of People that God so Loved Jn 3:16, and one of Christ's Prayer requext for them, as they are the Ones God so Loved and He Loved and died for Eph 5:25, the request is this Jn 17:26

26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

That God's Love to Himself and to them, which is the same Jn 17:23-24

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

That , that Love might be in them, and that He Himself shall be in them, which happens when God gives them The Spirit Rom 5:5

And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

And that results in Christ dwelling in our hearts by Faith Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are One and the Same !

Eph 3:17

17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

This is because, He requested this to be a blessing for those He would die for, that He would be in them Jn 17:23

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Them refers not only to the disciples, but also to whom shall believe on Him through their word Jn 17:20

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Now this Love of God must be put in them, if God so Loved them, and so John writes 1 Jn 4:19

19 We love him, because he first loved us.

If God so Loved us Jn 3:16, it results in us Loving Him ! If it doesnt, Christ's Prayer to His Father was not Honored by the Father !

 

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Gods Love in Christ brings to Faith !

Gods everlasting Love for His Elect [in Christ] causes their Faith, Jer 31:3

3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Because of this Love and by this Love they are being drawn/led to Him, Persuaded by Him, its the same Truth seen and taught in 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord[those loved with an everlasting love], because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

By being the beloved of Lord, it results in belief of the Truth, which is Faith !

Gods Everlasting Love to the Elect is no doubt based upon His Eternal Love of Christ their Head, who stated that He was Loved by the Father before the foundation Jn 17:24

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Note: Christ here is not speaking as a mere private person, but as the Head of a People given to Him Jn 17:2 !

And so He Loved those given Him, In Him so we do read Jn 17:23

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Because God Loved the Head and the Body of Members Simultaneously, so this is the Love of them which is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So it is I understand that Love in Jer 31:3 to be that same Love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord Rom 8:39, which Love draws to Faith in Christ via the Gospel , the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13-14 !

 

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Who are the objects of His Everlasting Love ? 2

That Love by which they were Loved from everlasting Jer 31:3

3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

This word lovingkindess, which is obviously related to that everlasting Love preceding, its the hebrew word checed and basically means favor,

keep-eth the covenant and the lovingkindness

Its a Faithful Covenant Love of God to His Creatures chosen in Christ,

Its the same word for mercy here Ps 103:17

17 But the mercy or faithful covenant Love,favor of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

You see, the from everlasting agrees with the Love spoken of in Jer 31:3

3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

This Love has no beginning or ending for those who are the objects of it ! 14

 

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Having Loved His Own in the World !

Jn 13:1

Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

Now who are His Own ? Its His Own Sheep Jn 10:4

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

Its His Own Church Eph 5:29

For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

His Own House Heb 3:6

But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end

Now all His Own People constitute a World that He Loved ! The word world kosmos means:

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

Its the sum total of any particulars, for instance, the sum total of His Sheep, a 100 % count of His Own Sheep is a World ! He Loved His Own Sheep Jn 10:4 that were in the World, that's the World He so Loved !

 

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If God so loved us, then we shall Live !

If God so Loved us Jn 3:16 ! The Prophet Isaiah wrote this Ezk 16:6-8

6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.

7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

There comes a time in the life of everyone God Loves, a time when He commands that they Live [unto God] Rom 6:11;Gal 2:19, He says unto them Live;

The NT counterpart version again towards them He so Loved, with a Great Love, He makes them alive Eph 2:4-5

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us Jn 3:16,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

That word quickened is the greek word suzóopoieó and means:

I make alive together with. I make that which was dead to live, cause to live, quicken.

This commanding Life or to Live is based solely upon what Christ has done for them, for He by His death for them abolished death and brings their life and immortality to light by the Gospel 2 Tim 1:9-10

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Folks all for whom Christ died, for them death has been abolished[ bring to nought, make of none effect], because the reason for death is sin, and by His death He put away [for them] sin Heb 9:26, when He put away sin, He put away death, for what is death but the wages of sin Rom 6:23 ?

And when He gives them Life, its brought to light by the Gospel, believing the Gospel is evidence one has eternal or immortal Life. Thats why the Gospel must be Preached to Spiritually alive People, then it brings to light the accomplishments of Christ's death for them, how it put away their sins , then death, and gave them Life, and that Proves that God so Loved them and said to them Live !

Conclusion, If God never commands one to Live so that they Live, then He never Loved them ! 14

 

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Jn 3:16, the World of Gods Elect in Christ !

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This is a World that is in Christ Jesus, for Gods Love is exclusive in Christ Jesus, Paul writes of it as the Love of God which is in Christ Jesus Our Lord Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In the original, the word Love is preceded by the definite article :

οὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

This Love of God is Particular for the Us , which points back to Gods Elect in Vs 33 Rom 8:32-34

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This World of Gods Elect had been Chosen in Christ before the foundation, and Loved in Him before the foundation, in fact its those whom Jesus Prays for here Jn 17:20-24

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Christ Loved those He Prayed for in Vs 20 which were not only His Present disciples excluding judas, but for all whom would come to believe on Him through their Testimony of the Gospel, and they were Loved by the Father as Christ was Loved by Him, even before the foundation of the world, because they were in Election Union with Him as the Body and Members of His. So that Love of them in Jn 3:16 by the Father is the same Love of the Father towards them in Jn 17:23-24 centered in their Election Union with Christ their Head, and so it confirms that Jn 3:16 is that same Love of God which is in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39 which is to the Elect Rom 8:33; Eph 1:4-5 ! There is No Love of God to any creature outside of a Election Union in Christ before the foundation !

 

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Gods Love is Holy !


Understand something, God is too Holy of a Being to Love any sinner outside of being in Christ, that's why its called the Love of God which is in Christ Jesus Our Lord Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This Love is exclusive of God, for in the original the word Love is preceded by the definite article :

οὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

The Love of the One and Only the God !

BTW, the Love spoken of here of the Love of God Deut 7:7

The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Can only be that Same Love which is in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39 !

Listen, God does not and cannot Love sinners for the mere sake of them being sinners, because He is Holy ! Yes He is Love, but its an Holy Love and the objects of it must be also.

It is written of God Heb 1:8-9

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

God Loves Righteousness and hates Iniquity. Thats why some sinners God hates Ps 5:5

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.,

But there are some sinners whom He Loves which are sinners in themselves, yet He Loved them from Everlasting in Christ Jer 31:3

3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

While they were yet sinners Christ died for them Rom 5:8

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

These are sinners however that God had put into Christ, by which He was made unto them Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

And so He Loved them in Christ their Righteousness, which again is that exclusive Love which is in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39 ! and this Love for them was even before they had a being ! And again Ps 146:8 tells us specifically whom the Lord Loves Ps 146:8

8 The Lord openeth the eyes of the blind: the Lord raiseth them that are bowed down: the Lord loveth the righteous:

And those Christ died for are made Righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 15

 

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Gods Love is Holy ! 2


There's no scripture proof whatsoever that God loves the unrighteous sinner outside of Christ and therefore outside of Election/Chosen Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

To be Loved by God, they would have to be In Christ Rom 8:39 in Union with Him, because Gods Love is in Christ Jesus; and this election in Christ would have occurred before the foundation, with this in Mind, the World God so Loved in Jn 3:16 has to be a World in Union with Christ by Election, simply because it has to be the exclusive Love of God in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39.

None in this Jn 3:16 world can be of them that are unrighteous as in 1 Cor 6:9

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

These cannot be any God Loved, or whom Christ died for and made Righteous Rom 5:19

Neither these 2 Pet 2:9

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Simply because if God Loved them and Christ died for them, regardless of their spiritual state, they are Righteous and shall Inherit the Kingdom of God, whereas these shall not 1 Cor 6:9 !

 

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The World God Loved in Jn 3:16

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This World God so Loved, is the World of the Sons/Children of God 1 Jn 3:1-2

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

God is The Father of this World, and that is why He so Loved it, and not all men have God as a Father, for Jesus told some jews once this Jn 8:41-42

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Jesus knew these men had not God as their Father, but the World of Jn 3:16 does,

For we read of those the Father so loved, that they are the Sons/Children of God 1 Jn 3:1

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

That word bestowed is the greek word didōmi and its the very same word gave in Jn 3:16 and God gave/bestowed His Love on this World by giving them Christ, He gives His Life for this World Jn 6:51 and so this is the World of His Sons according to 1 Jn 3:1,

The word Sons in 1 Jn 3:1 is the word teknon and means:

I.offspring, children

iv.children of God: in the OT of "the people of Israel" as especially dear to God, in the NT, in Paul's writings, all who are led by the Spirit of God and thus closely related to God

And all men are not the Children of God, for Paul writes of some jews Rom 9:8

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

So they could not have been part of that World God So Loved in Jn 3:16, because if they were, then they were the Children of God and Loved by God !

We can only know that we were Children of God, if we are born again and begin to Love God in Christ, because we will love Him because He first Loved us 1 Jn 4:19

19 We love him, because he first loved us Jn 3:16.

The only way Jn 3:16 can refer to all men without exception, is that all men without exception will Love God because He first Loved them in Christ ! And we know all men will not Love God in Christ because Paul pronounces a curse on them who dont 1 Cor 16:22

22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Notice, he doesnt say pray for them, but let them be cursed, because he knows they are not Gods Children that God Loved, but children of the devil whom He hates ! 15

 

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The World God Loved in Jn 3:16

We know the World of Jn 3:16 is not a World comprised of all individuals without exception, but that its a World consisting of Gods Elect, Elected or Chosen in Christ, because Gods Love is exclusively centered in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And those He So Loved, He graciously gave to them a Election Union in Christ Eph 1:4-5

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Deut 7:6-7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

For Gods Love of any People presupposes Election, His Own Choice of them,

And if God did not chose us in Christ, He could not have and did not Love us,

And we know all men are not Chosen in Christ because Christ told some this Jn 10:26 , they believed not because they were not His Sheep, His Chosen Ones , so He could not have Loved them, and they would be exempted from the World of Jn 3:16 !

 

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The World God Loved in Jn 3:16

We know the World of Jn 3:16 is not a World comprised of all individuals without exception, but that its a World consisting of Gods Elect, Elected or Chosen in Christ, because Gods Love is exclusively centered in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And those He So Loved, He graciously gave to them a Election Union in Christ Eph 1:4-5

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Deut 7:6-7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

For Gods Love of any People presupposes Election, His Own Choice of them,

And if God did not chose us in Christ, He could not have and did not Love us,

And we know all men are not Chosen in Christ because Christ told some this Jn 10:26 , they believed not because they were not His Sheep, His Chosen Ones , so He could not have Loved them, and they would be exempted from the World of Jn 3:16 !

I agree. Also, the word translated "so" means "thus," "in this way." Some people seem to think it's talking about the amount of God's love.

Another point is that the verse specifies those who have eternal like, and it is not everybody without exception, but whoever believes in Jesus Christ.

 

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I agree. Also, the word translated "so" means "thus," "in this way." Some people seem to think it's talking about the amount of God's love.

I asked a Reformed Baptist pastor about this awhile ago and he said admittedly it was 'amount' . Do you have a source for saying 'in this way'?

 

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I agree. Also, the word translated "so" means "thus," "in this way." Some people seem to think it's talking about the amount of God's love.

Another point is that the verse specifies those who have eternal like, and it is not everybody without exception, but whoever believes in Jesus Christ.

Yes, however believe in Jn 3:16 is present tense participle, they are in the state of believing, its not an imperative command to believe as the arminian camp has exploited the word to mean.

 

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Yes, however believe in Jn 3:16 is present tense participle, the are in the state of believing, its not an imperative command to believe as the arminian camp has exploited the word to mean.

Yes. I have 3 English-Greek lexicons in by bible program. The first says:

3779 οὕτω houto [hoo’-to] or (before a vowel) οὕτως houtos [hoo’-toce]

from 3778; adv; [{ See TDNT 572 }]

AV-so 164, thus 17, even so 9, on this wise 6, likewise 4, after this manner 3, misc 10; 213

1) in this manner, thus, so

The second gives this:

3779. ουτὼ̀ houto and ουτως houtos; adv. from 3778; [in this way, thus:--]

NAS-even so (1), exactly (2), exactly* (1), follows (2), in such a manner (1), in such a way (4), just (2), like this (5), like* (1), same (2), same manner (1), same way (5), so (125), such (2), then (1), thereby (1), this (1), this is the way (2), this is how (1), this effect (1), this manner (4), this respect (1), this way (22), thus (7), way (7), way this (1).

The third, Strong's Concordance, says:

3779. οὕτω houto [hoo’-to]; or (before a vowel) ουτως houtos [hoo’-toce]; adverb from 3778; in this way (referring to what precedes or follows): — after that, after (in) this manner, as, even (so), for all that, like(-wise), no more, on this fashion(-wise), so (in like manner), thus, what.

 

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The World of Jn 3:16 !

The World that God so Loved in Jn 3:16 must be a Righteous World, because God cannot Love sin and unrighteousness, His Holiness will not allow it, for He hateth the wicked and workers of iniquity Ps 5:5, and He Loveth Righteousness Heb 1:8-9

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

God cannot Love sinners for the sake of them being sinners, they must be sinners in Union with Christ Jesus, for His Love is the exclusive Love of God in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In the original it reads:

οὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

Notice the Love of God is preceded with the definite article, making this The exclusive Love of God, which is in Christ Jesus !

So for a World of People to be Loved by God, or the Beloved of God, it must be in Union with Christ Jesus, in Him its a Righteous World, we read in 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: See Heb 1:9 above !

God can only Love Individual sinners as He beholds them In Christ and clothed in His Righteousness, though in themselves they are filthy sinners,

So next time someone refers to Jn 3:16 as a proof text that God Loved all individuals without exception, know they are ignorant to this One thing, that if that was True, the whole world without exception is in Christ Jesus, which we know to be a lie, for all without exception are Gods Chosen Eph 1:4;Deut 7:6-7 and Jesus would not have told some that He never knew them as He does in Matt 7:23, being that if He Loved them they had to be In Union with Him according to Rom 8:39, lest Jesus is ignorant of who is in Union with Him! 15

 

[David Lamb]

Yes, however believe in Jn 3:16 is present tense participle, they are in the state of believing, its not an imperative command to believe as the arminian camp has exploited the word to mean.

I agree! I am no Arminian.

 

[brightfame52]

God so Loved the World of Jacobs !

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Gods Love for mankind is particular, it excludes many, the esaus of the world, which are simply the non elect, those whom He never Loved in Christ Jesus, for Gods Love is exclusively in Christ Jesus the Mediator Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In the original the phrase " The Love of God" is introduced with the definite article:

οὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

The word definite means:

not vague or general, but particular and specific !

The word world kosmos in the scripture does mean:

1. any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
   
   So in the redemptive sense, the World in Jn 3:16 is a collection of Jacobs, hence Jacob have I Loved, but esau I have hated, excluded from His particular Love !
   
   This Truth is ancient Mal 1:1-2
   
   The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
   
   2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
   
   Gods Love is centered in a Chosen People set apart from all other people Deut 7:6-8
   
   
   6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
   
   
   7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
   
   8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
   
   The word set in Deut 7:7 wherein God set His Love upon the Chosen People, its the word chashaq and means:
   
   1. to love, be attached to, long for
      
      To be Joined together, to be attached to with very great Love !
      
      Its the same Great Love written of here Eph 2:4
      
      4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
      
      This is an exclusive Love for Gods Chosen, Joined with Christ !

 

[brightfame52]

The Time of Love !

One of the great lies men believe today, which is a strong delusion 2 Thess 2:11

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Its that God Loves all of mankind without exception, which we who know the Truth and the True God, know to be a lie, for God hates many out of mankind Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Now, those whom God does Love, there will come a time in their life when God applies His Love towards them in deed and gives them Spiritual life from the dead.

Just as God encourages His children to love not just in word but in deed as well 1 Jn 3:18

My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed or action and in truth.

This Love responds when it merely sees a Loved one in need 1 Jn 3:17

But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

James wrote about Love in action towards a loved one James 2:15-16

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,


16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Well heres the Truth of Gods Love towards them He so Loved Jn 3:16, He seeth them all by nature dead in sin Eph 2:4-6


But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,


5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )


6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Those God so Loved in Christ, when He sees them dead in their trespasses and sins, void of spiritual life, His Great Love for them applys the Death of Christ unto them and gives them Life, so that they live spiritually unto Him !

The Old Testament counterpart to this Truth is found here in Ezekiel 16:6-8


6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.


7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.


8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

God Loves those He Loves in Deed, in action, and gives them what they need, which is Life, to Live. Any sinner that God so Loves with His Great love wherein He Loved them Eph 2:4, then in accordance with that Love, He gives them Life through Christ, so that may and do Live unto God ! Any sinner that is not raised out of spiritual death unto living unto God through Christ, God did not Love them !16


And there is no scripture warrant to say that He did !