The judgment seat of Christ comes with Him to earth

[Ghada]

In that way he did appear before the judnemnt seat of Christ

Are you saying Jesus on the cross appeared before His own judgment seat? Or appeard before the judgment seat of another Christ?

and was signified as guilty sufferings the wage of sin

Are you saying Jesus was judged by 'Christ' a sinner on the cross, and so was condemned and smitten by your 'Christ' and God as guilty of blapshemy, by calling Himself the Son of God?

Gal 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

The unbelieving Jews and Mulsims agree jesus was cursed by God on a cross, while giving Him lip service as a once great teacher and prophet, that went too far with Himself, and blasphemously called Himself the Son of God...

Mar 14:64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

Do you also believe Jesus committed blasphemy worthy of death by the law of Christ, by calling Himself the Son of God?

Lev 24:16And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.

 

[Ghada]

No, it si not.

And that does not change the facts in evidence. Jesus and the horse are in heaven, not on earth. You've added to the scriptures and hold a doctrine that is NOT proven with scripture as God commands. The entire thread stands as an overt act of disobedience!

No, it's not sensible at all. No one brought up "racetrack" but you. It is an utterly fallacious act of disobedient avoidance to ask nonsense when a veracious alternative exists.



And because the matter of how and when his being on earth is decided in scripture and you've failed to accept those facts AND failed to prove the op I am moving on from this thread, too. Five pages is enough space for anyone to prove their position and that has not happened.

And so, unless you come up with something new.

It's not for a reason when someone doesn't even try to offer their own sense of first Scriptures given, much less show any error in the sense given by others.

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;

All His people must appear and stand before Christ's judgment seat, to be judged by our works as good and acceptable to Him, or as bad and unacceptable to Him. And knowing the terror of the Lord's judgment upon all bad deeds of men and women, without respect of persons, Christ in Scripture warns all believers to make their works good, and not bad.

Mat 12:33Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

I only play the repeat game at most a couple of times, especially when the first argument is not denied by any error shown in it. And the sideshow tired dross of endless personal angst, meaningless demands, and dashes of scholar-speak, gets old even faster.

 

[Keiw1]

Like the provincial governor's seat for Caesar in Rome, and an American court annex for the Supreme Court in Washington D.C., Christ comes with His own judgment seat to hudge the earth. He will have from His seat all the power and right of the great white throne in heaven, to judge and execute the Father's law and will on earth, as in heaven.

Psa 96:13Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

The difference between imperial and national judgment seats of men, is that the Lord Christ's seat is moveable from heaven to earth, and there is no appeal to the Father from the Son's judgment.

Jhn 5:22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Every believer living in the Roman empire knew exactly what the judgment seat of the Son was on earth, coming down from the Father's white throne in heaven: The judgment of works throughout the empire, of everyone in the empire, in the stead of Caesar himself.

And even as in the Roman empire, that judgment began first with the Roman citizen, and then with all noncitizens and strangers. So the Lord's own judgment beginning with His people naming His name, and then with all inhabotiors of the earth.

Eze 9:6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

2 Peter{4:17} For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God? {4:18} And if

Heb 10:30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

The judgment of works by the Son will begin from His seat in the air, to separate His wheat from unrighteous tares. He will then judge the nations from His seat in Jersualem, to separate the sheep from the goats.

Ps 96: 13-LORD=YHVH(Jehovah)--not Jesus.
Rev 19:11=Armageddon.
God has already shown what judgement is in his written word. Jesus is his image and will judge according to how his Father has already judged.

 

[Ghada]

Ps 96: 13-LORD=YHVH(Jehovah)--not Jesus.
Rev 19:11=Armageddon.
God has already shown what judgement is in his written word. Jesus is his image and will judge according to how his Father has already judged.

I'm not sure what the antichrist denial of Jesus Christ the LORD come in the flesh, has to do with it, but you are correct.

The Lord Jesus will judge His people naming His name by our works, at His return to earth from His judgment seat.

The rest of the dead will be judged by their works at the Father and Son's GWT over a thousand years later.

 

[Ghada]

Rev 3:21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

The assumption here is that each resurrected saint will sit with the Father and Son in His throne in heaven. However, that is not necessarily true. That throne is reserved for the Father and Son now in heaven, and for God and the Lamb forever on the new earth.

The promise of Jesus Christ at His return, is for each resurrected saint to sit with Him on His judgment seat. Each saint judged acceptable by works with the Lord, will sit with Him in His seat in the air on a white horse. Hugging the victorious Lord, King, and Judge from behind...

 

[Keiw1]

I'm not sure what the antichrist denial of Jesus Christ the LORD come in the flesh, has to do with it, but you are correct.

The Lord Jesus will judge His people naming His name by our works, at His return to earth from His judgment seat.

The rest of the dead will be judged by their works at the Father and Son's GWT over a thousand years later.

God has already passed judgement on sin=the wages of sin= death. Once dead one is acquitted of all sin( Rom 6:7) God would not rejudge one on past sins in the resurrection. Dan12:2-3=speaking of the resurrection, assures some will be made righteous=The righteous are already righteous, thus its the unrighteous resurrected ones who will get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will during Jesus' 1000 year reign with no satan influences. But= The reason God looses satan for a little while is to test their faith. Why would God bother to retest the righteous when they have already proved to be righteous if the unrighteous are judged for past sins back to death? Truly God is love.

 

[Ghada]

God has already passed judgement on sin=the wages of sin= death.

The wage of sin is spiritual death of the soul to God. All natural bodies die naturally.

Once dead one is acquitted of all sin( Rom 6:7)

Once the body is dead in the grave, there is no more sinning. The person's works done before the grave are then judged.

God would not rejudge one on past sins in the resurrection.

God does not rejudge any past sins once forgiven of. But present sins are still judged with death to God, unless repented of before the grave.

Dan12:2-3=speaking of the resurrection, assures some will be made righteous=

Those that are righteous are doing righteousness in this life.

The righteous are already righteous,

True. And the resurrection unto life is for them doing righteousness in this life.

thus its the unrighteous resurrected ones who will get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will during Jesus' 1000 year reign with no satan influences.

Vain imagination seeks a do-over to repent in another life after the grave.

Once dead in the grave, then there is the judgment of works done in this one life given to all.

But= The reason God looses satan for a little while is to test their faith.

It will be to prove who is only outwardly obedient to the King's law, and who keeps His law with love of the King and His law from the heart.

Mat 23:25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Mat 5:28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Why would God bother to retest the righteous when they have already proved to be righteous if the unrighteous are judged for past sins back to death?

Since this is based upon someone's own imagination about things, then God doesn't bother with any of it.

No matter what imaginative doctrines and prophecies man can make on earth, they all end in the grave with our dead bones. The righteous Father according to His plain warnings and sure prophecy, will then just goes right ahead and judge us all by our deeds on earth, without respect for any person's own beliefs and doctrines about such things:

1 Peter{1:14} But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

Truly God is love.

 

[Keiw1]

The wage of sin is spiritual death of the soul to God. All natural bodies die naturally.


Once the body is dead in the grave, there is no more sinning. The person's works done before the grave are then judged.



God does not rejudge any past sins once forgiven of. But present sins are still judged with death to God, unless repented of before the grave.




Those that are righteous are doing righteousness in this life.


True. And the resurrection unto life is for them doing righteousness in this life.


Vain imagination seeks a do-over to repent in another life after the grave.

Once dead in the grave, then there is the judgment of works done in this one life given to all.


It will be to prove who is only outwardly obedient to the King's law, and who keeps His law with love of the King and His law from the heart.

Mat 23:25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Mat 5:28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.



Since this is based upon someone's own imagination about things, then God doesn't bother with any of it.

No matter what imaginative doctrines and prophecies man can make on earth, they all end in the grave with our dead bones. The righteous Father according to His plain warnings and sure prophecy, will then just goes right ahead and judge us all by our deeds on earth, without respect for any person's own beliefs and doctrines about such things:

1 Peter{1:14} But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

Dan 12:2-3 is 100% talking about those who are resurrected, not what you think.

 

[Ghada]

Dan 12:2-3 is 100% talking about those who are resurrected

True.

Talking about us on earth is 100% rest of the argument.

 

[Keiw1]

True.

Talking about us on earth is 100% rest of the argument.

Psalm 37:29-The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it--Matt 5:5-Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth.. Prov 2:21-22-assures they are not leaving the earth--Only the little flock=Rev 14:3 144,000 are bought from the earth to heaven=the anointed bride.

 

[Ghada]

Psalm 37:29-The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it--Matt 5:5-Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth..

True. This earth and the next.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

All Scripture must be taken in context of all Scripture.

Prov 2:21-22-assures they are not leaving the earth--Only the little flock=Rev 14:3 144,000 are bought from the earth to heaven=the anointed bride.

Pro 2:21For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.

This is the promise that the righteous shall continue forever on the old and new earth, and the wicked shall be cut off.

The Lord has promised that the wicked shall never rule over all the earth. There was one that was righteous in the days of Noah, and after the flood, there was only one that was wicked.

 

[Keiw1]

True. This earth and the next.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

All Scripture must be taken in context of all Scripture.

Pro 2:21For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.

This is the promise that the righteous shall continue forever on the old and new earth, and the wicked shall be cut off.

The Lord has promised that the wicked shall never rule over all the earth. There was one that was righteous in the days of Noah, and after the flood, there was only one that was wicked.

New earth= Gods kingdom rule in 100% control forever, no more satan influences, ever. All things back to perfection. Not a new planet. Prov 2:21-22 assures the great crowd are going nowhere but remain on earth forever.

 

[Mr GLee]

Are you saying Jesus on the cross appeared before His own judgment seat? Or appeard before the judgment seat of another Christ?

Many look to a literal temporal seat and not the unseen eternal used in parables . It would seem to be a wile of the spirit of selfish pride . two building blocks. . lust and lust.

1 John 2;16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The whole world condemning Christ who was working in the Son of man ,Jesus .

He was condemned according to the three days and nights propmised demonstration of the Lamb, slain from the 6 days Christ did work. The demonstration of two working as one. . . empowered by Christ the husband.

Matthew 26:66 What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death. Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,

There verdict He (Christ )is guilty of death.

No retiral

 

[Ghada]

New earth= Gods kingdom rule in 100% control forever, no more satan influences, ever. All things back to perfection. Not a new planet.

Not a born again planet.

Heb 1:10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

The Lord that lays the foundation of the earth will change the old that perished, for the newly created, in a new change of clothes.

And one big change is unlike this earth, the new earth will have no seas.

And, that Lord's name is Jesus Christ the Son of God, whom God the Father speaks to in the beginning of this earth, and that of the new earth.

 

[Keiw1]

Not a born again planet.

Heb 1:10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

The Lord that lays the foundation of the earth will change the old that perished, for the newly created, in a new change of clothes.

And one big change is unlike this earth, the new earth will have no seas.

And, that Lord's name is Jesus Christ the Son of God, whom God the Father speaks to in the beginning of this earth, and that of the new earth.

The OT teaches-This earth will never be made to totter. Eccl 1:4= This earth remains forever.
What will perish is this satan ruled system of things.

 

[Mr GLee]

It would seem the forever is used in two ways. Forever as it pertains to things of this life. And forever and ever without end. One temporal promises other eternal.


Deuteronomy 23:3An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord for ever:

Ruth a Moabite did enter in. Her new forever without end

Ephesians 3:21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

First water last with fire consumed up in smoke out of sight out of mind