"My people" is covenant language. Romans 9:22-26
"My people" is covenant language only after spoken of to a people ALREADY in covenant with God. He never says that of Gentiles. Nor does He say that to people to which He is in the process of making covenant. It was after the covenant was completed that such designation is made of those in covenant with Him. Otherwise, you'll have a new covenant every time He says, "My people." And He says it countless times. Are you of the position that each time He says "My people" it's a new covenant being made?
22What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
23in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—
24even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25As indeed he says in Hosea,
If the context does not identify what I call hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Roman, Scythian, Greek Gentiles, then it means circumcised Gentile proselytes and uncircumcised God-Fearers. Like the Gentiles by which the Jerusalem Council was held. It was to address hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Roman, Scythian, Greek converts to the Judaic religion.
“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’
and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”
26“And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
Hosea 2:18
In that day I will make a covenant for them---23 Then I will sow her for MYself, in the earth, and I will have mercy on her who had not obtained mercy; then I will say to those who were not My people,'You are My people!" And they shall say, 'You are my God!"
Paul interpreted those passages as applying to Jew and Gentile alike.
No, those words are to Israel. It's your re-interpretation that wants to include Gentiles, but God has never called Gentile "My people." The tribe of Benjamin is My people. The tribe of Judah is My people. Only Hebrews are My people and what belongs to Christ was given Him by the Father before creation and that people are Abraham and His seed.
And the term "Jew" actually comes from Judah not Hebrew/children of Jacob.
Yes, but it's used to refer to the Hebrews in general. I do both. Hebrews and Jews.
All nations would include Israel.
Only in the context of the definition in Genesis 15 and 17 for "masses."
Gentiles (non-Hebrew) did not come into existence until the Abrahamic Covenant. After that it was used mainly for non-Hebrews.
When God says the nations are as nothing to Him (even though He made them and for His glory seen in all the earth, and to serve His purpose) it refers to His sovereignty and power over everything He created. It is time to cease reducing God to Israel in a ethnic, geopolitical. He is over all the Earth and is restoring all the Earth!
Yes, I knew you'd try to work a way around it.
If the nations were something, then God would not give them to Israel as an inheritance.
8 Ask of me,
And I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
Psalm 2:8–9.
Or God would not exalt "My people" Israel above the Gentiles/heathens/uncircumcised, non-Hebrew idol-worshipers.
8 God brought him forth out of Egypt;
He hath as it were the strength of an unicorn:
He shall eat up the nations his enemies,
And shall break their bones,
And pierce them through with his arrows.
Num. 24:8.
2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself,
above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Dt 14:1–2.
19 And
to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the LORD thy God, as he hath spoken.
Dt 26:19.
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh,
And thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
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For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;
And the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and ethe women ravished;
And half of the city shall go forth into captivity,
And the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
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Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations,
As when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
Which is before Jerusalem on the east,
And the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west,
And there shall be a very great valley;
Zech. 14:1–4.
If Gentiles are "My people" why is He prophesied to destroy them utterly? Is that love?
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
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And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and
fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev. 20:7–9.
If Gentiles are "My people" why does God allow them to be deceived and also send fire upon them and consume them?
If you are of Reformed persuasion, you can't go there, you can't answer that for it does damage to 'eternal security."
No, "My people" are not Gentiles. "My people" are Hebrews.
Peter was writing to believing Jews, Christian Jews, not all Jews, not unbelieving Jews. And notice what he says in 9-10 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Brother Pete is quoting from the First Covenant and those words were addressed to Israel:
2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself,
above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Dt 14:1–2.
13 And he shall have it, and his seed after him,
even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God,
and made an atonement for the children of Israel.
Num. 25:13.
Notice to whom atonement is made: the children of Israel.
After making offerings and sacrifice for the people God (Israel) the high priest did not leave city limits and go to the Gentile nations and make offerings and sacrifices for the Gentiles.
And if the Gentile has no covenant of grace through faith, neither does the Jew. Christ is not divided.
Christ is not divided. He has only one covenant and that is with Abram the Hebrew and his seed.
God made no covenant with Gentiles. None.
Here are the logical fallacies that remark encroaches on all rolled into one sentence.
ad hominem
appeal to authority (your own)
appeal to emotion
appeal to ridicule
circular reasoning
continuum fallacy
false attribution
You managed to work a bit of this one and a bit of that one (fallacies) into your conclusion----which in effect makes the entire post a bit of a fallacy.
If you can't attack the argument, attack the person.
A typical ploy of the lost.
When the day draws near for Israel's Messiah's return the truth of God's covenant being with Israel and Israel alone will sink in and they will attack Israel from all sides and even take half the city (Jerusalem) until the Lord comes and fights against those nations and the last time I checked Gentile Christians live in those Gentile nations and they will be consumed with the breath of His mouth.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev. 19:11–16.
He rules the nations (Gentiles) with a rod of iron, but leads and guides His sheep Israel with a Shepherds staff.
