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The Implementation of the World Wide Sunday Law.

Do you need the exact day and hour, you know that is up to God. Much like the close of probation for the wicked and the saints..

Revelation 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
I do not need anything from people who make predictions they refuse to discuss but what I would like is for prognosticators to have some personal integrity and not hide behind cliches and misuses of scripture like "No one knows the exact day or hour." If you really, truly, sincerely, genuinely believe no one knows THEN STOP MAKING PREDICTIONS!!!!

BUT.....

if you're going to make predictions then at least have enough personal integrity to support your own claims. The questions I have asked are not being answered.

  • When, exactly, do you think the worldwide implementation of the Sunday Law will happen?
  • When, exactly, do you think the worldwide implementation of the two-class division will happen?
  • How long do you estimate the time between the mark being dictated, the two-class division, and the taking out of the few?

Succinct answers to the specific questions asked are appreciated. Thx
 
  • When, exactly, do you think the worldwide implementation of the Sunday Law will happen?
  • When, exactly, do you think the worldwide implementation of the two-class division will happen?
  • How long do you estimate the time between the mark being dictated, the two-class division, and the taking out of the few?
I always liked "a time, and times, and half a time" - it just has a cool sound to it ...
  • [Dan 7:25 ESV] 25 He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
  • [Dan 12:7 ESV] 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream; he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time, and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be finished.
  • [Rev 12:14 ESV] 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.
... so I pick 3.5 years for my W.A.G. to all three questions. ;)
[Which is why "I am no prophet!"] :ROFLMAO:
 
I always liked "a time, and times, and half a time" - it just has a cool sound to it ...
  • [Dan 7:25 ESV] 25 He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
  • [Dan 12:7 ESV] 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream; he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time, and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be finished.
  • [Rev 12:14 ESV] 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.
... so I pick 3.5 years for my W.A.G. to all three questions. ;)
[Which is why "I am no prophet!"] :ROFLMAO:
This message board is full of prophets, those that declare the will of another .

Some true that do not add or subtract from (sola scriptura) Others false, apostles, false teachers teaching oral traditons of dying mankind . . . not sent by Christ .
 
... so I pick 3.5 years for my W.A.G. to all three questions. ;)
Thank you for that but the questions were explicitly and solely directed to @Hobie since this is his op and he is the one making the assertion, "The Mark of the Beast will be implemented and the whole world will follow after the Beast in its work or setting its mark, in a world wide [Sunday] law."

Would you 3.5 years be from today, or from the date of the op?
 
Perhaps I am not making myself clear but I am having difficulty understanding how I could be any clearer with those three very specific questions. "When will this worldwide implementation of the Sunday Law happen?" is direct, specific, and simply worded. If a specific date is somewhere reported, then I'd like to read that stated in one of your posts as directly and simply as the inquiry it answers. Here is what that article states specifically pertaining to the "Sunday Law."

"The idea is to begin with Catholic churches and organizations and then bring in other churches and organizations, ultimately involving the whole world. Integral to the plan is a mandatory weekly day of rest. “The Pope’s encyclical calls for Sunday to be implemented as a weekly day of rest to save the environment” (OpenPr.com, December 11, 2020).
Bible prophecy foretells the rise of an end-time “beast power” in central Europe. This “beast” will be a powerful political/military/economic leader who will work in concert with a powerful religious leader (see Revelation 13). Ultimately, the religious leader will cause “all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name” (vv. 16–17). Could mandatory Sunday worship be part of this mysterious “mark” of the beast, and could Francis’ Laudato Si’ help bring this about? For more insight, watch our telecast The Mark of the Beast Is Here.”

That's it. There is no specific statement in that article that specifically states when the Sunday Law law will be implemented worldwide. In fact, the article implicitly reports the Sunday Law will NOT be implemented worldwide. Confused about that? :unsure: That article is about the Pope declaring a Sunday Law for Roman Catholics, U the entire world. The Pope's "law" will not apply to Hindis, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Protestants, atheists, LDSes, JWs, or anyone else in the world. No one in any of those groups will, or will likely, comply or obey such an edict.


Therefore.....

That article does NOT answer any of the three questions I have asked.



And.....

... now there are other matters to address because the author of that article does something very, very, very common in Dispensationalist/modern futurist circles: He asks a completely baseless and entirely speculative question implicitly designed to affirm modern futuirsm..... and affirm it in a wholly unscriptural manner. The article and its closing inquiry prey on the ignorant and/or vulnerable.

Could mandatory Sunday worship be part of this mysterious "mark" of the beast?

NO! It cannot be part of the mark of the beast and every intelligent human being (Christian or not) who has ever read the bible passage pertaining to the beast's mark KNOWS the answer to that question is an unequivocal, "NO!" Only modern futurists fall prey to that baiting inquiry. What is perhaps worst of all is that this article comes from a cult. The Worldwide Church of God is a cult. Herbet H. Armstrong, its founder, founded a cult. The off-shoot of that cult, the Living Church of God is also a cult. See this GotQuestions review of this cult HERE. They do NOT follow the teachings of Jesus Christ without compromise; they follow the teachings of Armstrong and Weston.

Jesus NEVER taught rank speculation as truth, and he NEVER taught rank speculation was truth. In point of fact, the word of God plainly states that if a prophet, or anyone, claims to speak on behalf of God and the thing they say will happen does not happen then do not fear the prognosticator or follow them.

Dispensationalists and modern futurists have a 100% fail rate. There has NEVER been a single prognostication they have ever spoken/written that has ever come true. Eschatologically speaking, they are ALL 100% liars. They are NOT to be followed. One of the ways this apostacy can (and should) be revealed is by simply asking, "When will what you are predicting occur?" Two things invariably happen. The first is they avoid giving a specific answer or they hide behind a misuse of Matthew 24:36. The second way this apostacy is recognized is because it never comes true. Assuming someone could get a false prognosticator to state when, the thing never happens. They shrug their shoulders and say "Oh well, maybe it'll happen later than I imagined." (oblivious to the fact they just lied to everyone and will not be held accountable for the errors of making false predictions, teaching others to think and live as they do 🤮). There is absolutely nothing Christ-like about any of it. A third way of knowing this is godless is the hypocrisy of not actually living as if what they say is true. A person of integrity will change the way s/he lives if the world is actually, literally going to hell in a hand basket any day now. That person does NOT go one about their day acting as if everything is normal, routine, hell is going to rule the world, and they're soon going to be taken off the planet.

  • Thinks an article written by a cult member is valid and veracious.
  • Thinks a Pope's decisions govern the entire world.
  • Rank speculation.
  • Misuse and abuse of scripture.
  • Refusal to answer simple valid and relevant inquiries directly and immediately when asked.
  • Implies everyone else should do likewise.


That is what it turns out this op does. @Hobie, I do not know if you are an Armstrongian but, if you are, then leave that cult, and if you're not then please, please be more discerning and discriminating with your sources. Go do a little investigation of the WWCoG and when you realize they are a cult come back to this tread and either ask the mods to delete it or apologize to the forum for the mistake (or both). Just because some guys claiming to be Christians make predictions does not mean they are Christians or teaching well. Just because some guy shares your modern-futurist eschatology does not mean they are teaching soundly. People for the Church of Latter-Day Saints are modern futurists. Jehovah's Witnesses are modern futurists. Most of the cults that sprang up in the 1900s and later are modern futurist. This problem is so common that reading a prediction based on the latest newscast should be a warning, not something we should entertain as truth.


Nothing the Pope say or does effects everyone worldwide.

The Sunday Law law is NOT part of the mark of the beast.

Despite my persistent, repeated inquiries, I still have not received answers to the very valid and relevant questions asked.

This op fails.


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When it happens as it almost did back in the late 1800's, then you will say I should have seen it coming, and especially when you see the forces behind it, the wickedness and those leading it. Here is a good sermon on it..
 
When it happens as it almost did back in the late 1800's, then you will say I should have seen it coming, and especially when you see the forces behind it, the wickedness and those leading it. Here is a good sermon on it..
"Almost coming"?????

That means it did not happen. And that counts as one example among many in which the purported almost never happened. It's been that way for 200 years and for some unexplained reason I am now supposed to believe the boys who cry "Wolf!" when I know the wolf they cry about has been defeated and the wolf they are is the problem to be solved. False teachers are the problem. False teachers who constantly say, "Look! Look!" and nothing they say ever happens. It would be best if they stop falsely prognosticating altogether and let God inform His people in ways that do not prove false of what will happen.


"When I see the forces behind it, the wickedness, and those leading it"?????

The forces I focus on are God, His Son, and His Holy Spirit. There is no force aside from them upon which I can rely with confidence and no forces anywhere else about which they cannot inform God's people and empower them.

Extra-biblical Youtube video?????

No thanks. God's word is sufficient, especially when correctly read and correctly understood.


Now, will you please speak for yourself and answer the questions asked?

  • When, exactly, do you think the worldwide implementation of the Sunday Law will happen?
  • When, exactly, do you think the worldwide implementation of the two-class division will happen?
  • How long do you estimate the time between the mark being dictated, the two-class division, and the taking out of the few?

Succinct answers to the specific questions asked are appreciated. Thx
 
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