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The Hypers

Firstly disagreement isn't hate. disagreement is just disagreement. Hate is something else entirely, and I'm pretty sure you know that.
Yes I do. Sadly some are so sure they are right it turns to hate and badgering and attacking. We also have some who are proud and are more apt to defend the,shelved and their belief at all cost, it gets so bad they talk at others. And not to them.

Not saying that is the case here. Or either of the two in question do that. Just saying there are times you just back away to keep peace. I hope you understand thi
Secondly, God's word really isn't a matter of opinion. Not mine, and not yours
Agree
When we don't agree about a matter, we come together over Scripture to learn who's right. Scripture is the arbiter.
Agree.

But different people have their opinions of what Gods word says.. if those opinions differ, there will never be any means of agreement. So again, do we badger and attack with out point of view demanding the other agree with us. Or move on and find things we are United on.

Some things ar salvic. And in these cases. We have to stand firm.

Some are not.like how old is the earth. How did the flood occure. Is God done with israel. And does God love those he sends to hell.

Is it worth causing division over these things?
I always thought hate in its truest form was indifference. Just not caring.

When you love you care.
I can see this, I think Hate can go a lot deeper. And love also. Can go a lot deeper than just caring
 
Sadly some are so sure they are right it turns to hate and badgering and attacking.

This might be a good moment to step back and reflect. What you’re describing may feel like hate or badgering, but perception isn’t the same as reality.

Sometimes, what we interpret as aggression might actually be conviction — or even clumsy communication. I say this gently, because I’ve had to check my own perceptions too. It’s easy to assume the worst, but we’re called to test both ourselves and our assumptions in light of Scripture.

We also have some who are proud and are more apt to defend the,shelved and their belief at all cost,

That’s a serious charge — and one we should handle with care. It seems you’re attributing sinful motives (like pride or defensiveness) to others’ hearts. But we can’t ultimately know another person’s motives — only God can.

Yes, we can evaluate words and actions against Scripture, but assigning inward attitudes crosses a line unless they’ve made those intentions explicit. Let’s be cautious not to speak beyond what’s revealed.


it gets so bad they talk at others. And not to them.

You’ve said others "talk at" people instead of engaging with what’s actually being said — but that can happen on both sides. At times, even you appear to talk at people rather than truly listening to and addressing their points. And yes, that is frustrating.

But here’s the challenge:
Should I start assigning motives to you without offering the benefit of the doubt? Maybe it’s not malice — maybe it's just miscommunication.

We should extend to others the same grace and fairness we’d want shown to us. That includes listening well, engaging charitably, and avoiding assumptions about the heart.


But different people have their opinions of what Gods word says..


I must respectfully disagree — emphatically. When it comes to Scripture, we aren’t dealing with mere opinions. There is what God has said — and then there is everything else.

God’s Word is not subject to human opinion; it is the only objective standard of truth. We may sincerely believe something that turns out to be false, but sincerity does not make a lie into truth. It simply means we’ve been misled.

The task, then, is not to pit personal interpretations against each other, but to submit ourselves to the Word as the final arbiter. Our responsibility is to remain humbly and diligently under its authority — to the best of our ability — letting it shape our thoughts, not the other way around.


Is it worth causing division over these things?

Not over disputable matters, no — but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t seek to understand them. Some truths may seem secondary at first, but they matter because they concern the character and will of God. He calls us to grow in knowledge of Him and His ways, and that means digging into hard questions, even when we disagree.

The key is how we discuss them. When there are too many competing voices, it’s hard to hear anything clearly. But in a space where we can slow down, focus on one conversation, and truly listen — that's where fruitful, edifying dialogue happens.

Even when the topic feels minor, it might hold more weight than we think. After all, these aren’t just ideas — they’re truths about God Himself.

I pray your morning is well!

In Christ's love,
Hazelelponi
 
I used my human understanding on that.

I can across an article earlier today from the Reformed Classicist that was good:


just an article, not related to the definitions.
Interesting article.
 
This might be a good moment to step back and reflect. What you’re describing may feel like hate or badgering, but perception isn’t the same as reality.
I think you may have misunderstood and this has gotten off topic. I do not think @fastfredy0 hates me nor do I hate him. Disagreement is not hate but when you badger someone continually with the same arguments post after post. It sometimes gets to the point when you start using language that are considered attacks. False accusations start being slung. Or other stuff that degrades a conversation to nothing.

It happens in almost every chatroom. And it is sad that two adults who call themselves Christian resort to this but it happens. We may even fall pray to this ourselves.

Sadly there are those who think it is their duty to correct others and even when the other person says they no longer want to converse still nit pick trying to correct them even going into their email.
First time here I got mad. This time I am just going to do my best not to read anything they say. Thankfully there is an ignore button which I hate to use but have a few times Interesting that some people I have on ignore in multiple chatrooms. Lol

Anyway not everyone Is this way you and I disagree and have great chats and again I think there is misunderstanding
 
First time here I got mad

Can I offer a few thoughts?

I don't know what's going on or why or where, though recently is likely to be quite the good guess as to a when.

I would offer that if someone is that distressed by what you're saying that he's willing to chase you down over it then perhaps you should be more concerned with what he's saying, not less.

Assuming he's a Spirit filled believer then he's only doing what he's called up on by God to do yes? Defend the faith once for all delivered to the saints.

If I was wrong I would want my brothers to correct me yes? So perhaps trying to understand the issue at heart, instead of agreeing to disagree is a better course of action.

I don't mean to intrude upon private disagreements but it seemed appropriate enough to share a few thoughts.

My husband likes me he says, because I can't outrun him. (Lol) Comments like that are funny, but I know he loves me because of them.

I think God chases us down. Maybe God is using @fastfredy0 to say something to you. Why don't you try praying about it? Ask God to help you understand him. He clearly cares about something enough to engage like this.

At any rate, I pray your day is going well.
 
Am I a hyper-Calvinist?

I likewise maintain a strong emphasis on God's sovereignty—but not to the point of minimizing human agency and responsibility.

I likewise agree that God's saving love is only for the elect—but that he has benevolence for all.

I likewise deny that the gospel is an offer or invitation—but also that it's only meant for the elect.

I likewise refuse to invite all to believe in Christ—but only because the gospel is not an invitation but a proclamation.

(I don't know who is elect or reprobate, but the decree of election and reprobation is not the hermeneutical lens through which I address individual sinners anyway; the warrant for faith is the surety of the Son's fulfillment of God's promises.)
 
Can someone explain what we do with this verse....

Mark 10:21 And looking at him, Jesus loved him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Was this just the humanity of Christ that loved this reprobate?
What do we do with this verse? Hmm, I think it just shows that this person wasn’t a true believer, he obviously thought more of his possessions than he did of God. And yes, Jesus is 100% man and in that aspect I believe he loved him.
 
Where are we told that this is a parable? In context, the passage in Mark says:

“Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?" So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. "You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’" And he answered and said to Him, "Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth." Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me."” (Mr 10:17-21 NKJV)
Don’t seem like a parable to me either
It certainly reads like an actual event, rather than a parable.
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