Some good reasons to reject Arminianism

[Carbon]

“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Mark 16.

Both Arminians and Calvinists go out and proclaim the gospel.
However,

Arminians believe they have to, with help from God, convince the lost sinner to believe. They have to continue counseling in the gospel in hopes people will make a decision to believe. And if one does, and proves it by coming forth, they get to record the persons name and the date they got saved in their bibles. I even heard some say, “ I got three people saved today!”
Yes, I suppose they got a reason to boast.

The Calvinist has his confidence in God, knowing God will save those who are His. A Calvinist will share the gospel and continue to follow up as well. You won’t hear a Calvinist say, “I got three people saved today!” Because it’s not man, it’s the gospel that is the power unto salvation. We also don’t have them come forth for proof. The proof is they will hunger and thirst for Christ.

I suppose both Arminians and Calvinists are fishers of men.
One casts his net and woos the fish to swim into it. Saying come on, you can do it, give it a try.
The other casts his net knowing many kinds of fish will be dragged in.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

 

[armylngst]

“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Mark 16.

Both Arminians and Calvinists go out and proclaim the gospel.
However,

Arminians believe they have to, with help from God, convince the lost sinner to believe. They have to continue counseling in the gospel in hopes people will make a decision to believe. And if one does, and proves it by coming forth, they get to record the persons name and the date they got saved in their bibles. I even heard some say, “ I got three people saved today!”
Yes, I suppose they got a reason to boast.

The Calvinist has his confidence in God, knowing God will save those who are His. A Calvinist will share the gospel and continue to follow up as well. You won’t hear a Calvinist say, “I got three people saved today!” Because it’s not man, it’s the gospel that is the power unto salvation. We also don’t have them come forth for proof. The proof is they will hunger and thirst for Christ.

I suppose both Arminians and Calvinists are fishers of men.
One casts his net and woos the fish to swim into it. Saying come on, you can do it, give it a try.
The other casts his net knowing many kinds of fish will be dragged in.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

Overall, I find that Arminianism is just false teaching (Charles Finney), or immature believers who need to grow in their understanding of God. You have to go to college to gain knowledge, you aren't born with it. You have to grow in scripture, and in the Spirit, to understand all that God has given us in His word.

 

[Carbon]

Overall, I find that Arminianism is just false teaching (Charles Finney), or immature believers who need to grow in their understanding of God. You have to go to college to gain knowledge, you aren't born with it. You have to grow in scripture, and in the Spirit, to understand all that God has given us in His word.

Good points.
But I wouldn't relate Finney to all Arminians, at least I hope not. Finney was a heretic. Arminians are not.

 

[armylngst]

Good points.
But I wouldn't relate Finney to all Arminians, at least I hope not. Finney was a heretic. Arminians are not.

Isn't Finney connected to the Methodists?

 

[Carbon]

Isn't Finney connected to the Methodists?

It's been a while since I read a bio on him. I can't remember, but for some reason, I want to say Presbyterian. And of course he hit a slippery slope.

 

[armylngst]

It's been a while since I read a bio on him. I can't remember, but for some reason, I want to say Presbyterian. And of course he hit a slippery slope.

And apparently...you would be....
Right. I did a quick google search.

 

[fastfredy0]

Gee, how much space do I have ....

1. John 1:12 But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name— 13 who were born, not of blood [natural conception], nor of the will of the flesh [physical impulse/free will], nor of the will of man [that of a natural father], but of God [that is, a divine and supernatural birth—they are born of God—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified]. Not only do the verses state we are “born again” but the will of God, but to put aside all doubt it doubles down and says man is NOT saved by man’s will.
2. If God knows, that by creating you, you will end up in hell, how is he not determined you to end up in hell by creating you?
3. If freewill is true why has there never been a sinless human?
4. How does “eternal security” fit in a freewill system?
5. Why does God "send" the Gospel to those he knows will reject it?
6. Why do “freewill” proponents say “Lord willing"? James 4:15
7. If freewill is true why "pray"?
8. How is it “fair” that God chooses when, where, and how to make you?
9. How is God being in control of all things a “lesser view”?
10. Free Will’s difficulty with evil: How does God giving free will absolve some responsibility? Let's just say there's no causal relationship between God his creation of you and on your commission of a particular evil act. There's no causal relationship. You have free will that God gave you and let's just pretend it's all true. That’s the general claim, God gave us Free Will and then we misused it. Well he knew that would happen and so by giving you free will He knows that you were going to misuse it. How does that remove his responsibility? If I were to give my friend a tool too on commit a crime using the tool how am I not complicit in his crime because I knew what he was going to do with it when I gave it to him and I gave it to him anyways … so God knows if he gives you free will you're going to sin and he gives it to you anyways I want you to explain to me how that removes responsibility from God.
11. Suppose I heard the gospel when I was having a bad day so I rejected it and you know if I hadn't been murdered then maybe I would have gone to be saved but another person with their Free Will can come along and determined my eternal Destiny by murdering me. So you have a problem with God the Creator determining your Eternal Destiny but you're fine with your eternal Destiny being determined by another as in this example. You have a problem with God the Creator determining Eternal Destinies of men because that's just morally unbelievably insane and reprehensible but you're perfectly okay with other people's Free Will determining another people's destiny. God just stands by and let it happen supposed to be of a more acceptable view. Not only that, but when you go down the road of admitting that God has the absolute power to stop a particular sin such as someone murdering me but he chooses not to stop it comes to the ultimate being of God having power and potential in your particular position and eventual control of things if he wants to control them how is that not God determining that something happened if sin and for example someone murdering me if that murder can only ultimately happen if God allows it. How is he not by allowing it determining that it happens.
12. If you think that you have this freedom from God, this autonomous free will, then you would not need to play by God's laws in the first place. It's ironic, responsibility violates the idea of free will.

I'll stop there.... could go on though ...and on, and on

 

[jeremiah1five]

“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Mark 16.

Both Arminians and Calvinists go out and proclaim the gospel.
However,

Arminians believe they have to, with help from God, convince the lost sinner to believe. They have to continue counseling in the gospel in hopes people will make a decision to believe. And if one does, and proves it by coming forth, they get to record the persons name and the date they got saved in their bibles. I even heard some say, “ I got three people saved today!”
Yes, I suppose they got a reason to boast.

The Calvinist has his confidence in God, knowing God will save those who are His. A Calvinist will share the gospel and continue to follow up as well. You won’t hear a Calvinist say, “I got three people saved today!” Because it’s not man, it’s the gospel that is the power unto salvation. We also don’t have them come forth for proof. The proof is they will hunger and thirst for Christ.

I suppose both Arminians and Calvinists are fishers of men.
One casts his net and woos the fish to swim into it. Saying come on, you can do it, give it a try.
The other casts his net knowing many kinds of fish will be dragged in.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

And not everyone is a fisherman.
Only those to whom such call is given.
Everyone else who doesn't have such a call of God and ministry are in effect mimicking another believers call and ministry and pretty much just getting in the way and doing harm to the gospel.

But God is not frustrated. Their sin of disobedience has already been factored in.
God will accomplish all His good pleasure:

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
It shall not return unto me void,
But it shall accomplish that which I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Is. 55:11.

 

[Carbon]

And not everyone is a fisherman.
Only those to whom such call is given.

Do you mean not all are evangelists? If so, I agree.

Everyone else who doesn't have such a call of God and ministry are in effect mimicking another believers call and ministry and pretty much just getting in the way and doing harm to the gospel.

If your proclaiming the gospel, in truth your not being harmful.

But God is not frustrated. Their sin of disobedience has already been factored in.
God will accomplish all His good pleasure:

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
It shall not return unto me void,
But it shall accomplish that which I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Is. 55:11.

Amen.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Do you mean not all are evangelists? If so, I agree.


If your proclaiming the gospel, in truth your not being harmful.

Amen.

There is a time and season for every thing under heaven.

15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1 Pe 3:15.

The time and season is when a question is asked.

If they're not asking say nothing.

 

[Carbon]

There is a time and season for every thing under heaven.

15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1 Pe 3:15.

The time and season is when a question is asked.

If they're not asking say nothing.

I disagree. Personally, I believe, "though I may not, whenever I see a person I want to share the Lord Jesus with them" I have a burden for the lost. If I am not supposed to share the gospel until someone asks, why do I have this burden?

 

[jeremiah1five]

I disagree. Personally, I believe, "though I may not, whenever I see a person I want to share the Lord Jesus with them" I have a burden for the lost. If I am not supposed to share the gospel until someone asks, why do I have this burden?

Then you may fall under those who are called to such a ministry.
Q1: Has there been an internal call of some sort in your spirit?
Q2: Are the spiritual gifts exercised in your fellowship?

 

[Carbon]

Then you may fall under those who are called to such a ministry.
Q1: Has there been an internal call of some sort in your spirit?
Q2: Are the spiritual gifts exercised in your fellowship?

I do not have a call for evangelism. But I do believe God puts us in situations to share the gospel.


What types of spiritual gifts in particular?

 

[jeremiah1five]

I do not have a call for evangelism. But I do believe God puts us in situations to share the gospel.


What types of spiritual gifts in particular?

You didn't answer my second question.

 

[Carbon]

You didn't answer my second question.

Which was? nevermind I see it.

 

[Carbon]

Then you may fall under those who are called to such a ministry.
Q2: Are the spiritual gifts exercised in your fellowship?

Depends. Which gifts?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Depends. Which gifts?

All of them

 

[Carbon]

All of them

I'm a cessationist.

But I do not say God cannot do what He wants to do when He wants and how He wants to do it.

I just do not believe they are a continued charismata for the church.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I'm a cessationist.

But I do not say God cannot do what He wants to do when He wants and how He wants to do it.

I just do not believe they are a continued charismata for the church.

Believers are sent [apostolos] today to found a church fellowship at the command of Christ.
One cannot have a true church fellowship without an apostle or prophet (Eph. 2:20).
Being that one may not be biblically instructed in the Word and Doctrines of Christ [Spirit] does not preclude that person or persons from such founding. As you may well know things also get done in ignorance in accordance to the Will of God.

18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached. Philippians 1:18.

Knowing of your cessationist-ism and the use of Ephesians 2:20 and they which hold that it applies to the founding of the Church universal one cannot discount that there is also an Old Testament Church already in existence which obeyed the letter of the Law and are the first placement of the Great Cloud of Witnesses described at His Coming. Just because a man dies - John - doesn't end what God continued at the Day of Pentecost.

 

[Carbon]

Believers are sent [apostolos] today to found a church fellowship at the command of Christ.
One cannot have a true church fellowship without an apostle or prophet (Eph. 2:20).
Being that one may not be biblically instructed in the Word and Doctrines of Christ [Spirit] does not preclude that person or persons from such founding. As you may well know things also get done in ignorance in accordance to the Will of God.

18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached. Philippians 1:18.

Knowing of your cessationist-ism and the use of Ephesians 2:20 and they which hold that it applies to the founding of the Church one cannot discount that there is also an Old Testament Church already in existence which obeyed the letter of the Law and are the first placement of the Great Cloud of Witnesses described at His Coming. Just because a man dies - John - doesn't end what God continued at the Day of Pentecost.

I agree, the church will continue to the end. But as far as those gifts go like tongues for example.
Where is it needed? I believe that gift along with others were given during the time of the apostles and for the building and protection of the early church. We now have the written word. If you see it differently, I believe you are wrong. I just don’t see the need for it any longer. Consider discernment. Our discernment increases as we renew our minds with the washing of the word, ect…

I know you believe different. And that’s okay.
I know of some Calvinist’s who believe in the gifts.
And that’s okay.