Seed wars.

[CrowCross]

In Genesis after the fall God makes this proclamation to the Serpent:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

We understand the seed of Eve...the mother of all..verse 20...refers to the linage from which Jesus would be born.
The linage as presented in the Gospel of Luke 3:23 and onwards..

Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, Heli, Matthat, Levi, Melki, Jannai, Joseph, Mattathias, Amos, Nahum, Esli, Naggai, Maath, Mattathias, Semein, Josech, Joda, Joanan, Rhesa, Zerubbabel, Shealtiel, Neri, Melki, Addi, Cosam, Elmadam, Er, Joshua, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi, Simeon, Judah, Joseph, Jonam, Eliakim, Melea, Menna, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, Boaz, Salmon, Nahshon, Amminadab, Ram, Hezron, Perez, Judah, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Terah, Nahor, Serug, Reu, Peleg, Eber, Shelah, Cainan, Arphaxad, Shem, Noah, Lamech, Methuselah, Enoch, Jared, Mahalalel, Kenan, Enosh, Seth, Adam, God.

The above is the "her seed"....what is the "thy seed" mentioned? Many refer to this as the seed war.
This verse speaks of a spiritual war between Satan who is also known as the serpent and mankind coming from the seed of the Eve, the mother of all.

Some say that the prophecy (the protoevangelium) is that her offspring would be continually harassed by Satan and his followers...but there really isn't any genetic progeny seed mentioned as with Eve and her progeny. Satans seed is reduced to and mentioned as some sort of harassment.

Could the seed war be a hybrid threat....the mixing of fallen angel seed with humanity under the direction of Satan in an attempt to stop the pure linage mentioned above and eliminating the possibility of salvation for human kind?
That is polluting the DNA of man created in Gods image to the point that the linage of Jesus becomes null and void?

There are many who would suggest this "seed" revealed in Genesis six was where Satans fallen angels produced hybrid offspring with humans in an almost successful attempt to destroy God plan of salvation. God puts a stop to the attempt by sending the flood.

later in scripture we read where God had used Israel to destroy the Nephillim in several battles for a second time after the flood where Satan re-introduced the polluted genome into mankind where God once again protected the seed of the woman so the Savior could be born.

Will Satan try again with a new plan (after failing at the cross) attempt to threaten humanity’s divine design via what is called "transhumanism"...rendering humans as not human and un-savable? The changing of man genetic makeup and the mixing of man with silicon...man with machine...iron mixed with clay...The mixing with one another in marriage. (Daniel 2:43)...perhaps succeeding to the point where those who receive the Rev 13 mark can't be saved (Rev 14:10-11)...unless the days were cut short. (Matt 24:22)

I believe this will conclude the seed war with Christ Jesus as the victor.

 

[Arial]

In Genesis after the fall God makes this proclamation to the Serpent:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

We understand the seed of Eve...the mother of all..verse 20...refers to the linage from which Jesus would be born.
The linage as presented in the Gospel of Luke 3:23 and onwards..

Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, Heli, Matthat, Levi, Melki, Jannai, Joseph, Mattathias, Amos, Nahum, Esli, Naggai, Maath, Mattathias, Semein, Josech, Joda, Joanan, Rhesa, Zerubbabel, Shealtiel, Neri, Melki, Addi, Cosam, Elmadam, Er, Joshua, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi, Simeon, Judah, Joseph, Jonam, Eliakim, Melea, Menna, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, Boaz, Salmon, Nahshon, Amminadab, Ram, Hezron, Perez, Judah, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Terah, Nahor, Serug, Reu, Peleg, Eber, Shelah, Cainan, Arphaxad, Shem, Noah, Lamech, Methuselah, Enoch, Jared, Mahalalel, Kenan, Enosh, Seth, Adam, God.

The above is the "her seed"....what is the "thy seed" mentioned? Many refer to this as the seed war.
This verse speaks of a spiritual war between Satan who is also known as the serpent and mankind coming from the seed of the Eve, the mother of all.

Some say that the prophecy (the protoevangelium) is that her offspring would be continually harassed by Satan and his followers...but there really isn't any genetic progeny seed mentioned as with Eve and her progeny. Satans seed is reduced to and mentioned as some sort of harassment.

Could the seed war be a hybrid threat....the mixing of fallen angel seed with humanity under the direction of Satan in an attempt to stop the pure linage mentioned above and eliminating the possibility of salvation for human kind?
That is polluting the DNA of man created in Gods image to the point that the linage of Jesus becomes null and void?

There are many who would suggest this "seed" revealed in Genesis six was where Satans fallen angels produced hybrid offspring with humans in an almost successful attempt to destroy God plan of salvation. God puts a stop to the attempt by sending the flood.

later in scripture we read where God had used Israel to destroy the Nephillim in several battles for a second time after the flood where Satan re-introduced the polluted genome into mankind where God once again protected the seed of the woman so the Savior could be born.

Will Satan try again with a new plan (after failing at the cross) attempt to threaten humanity’s divine design via what is called "transhumanism"...rendering humans as not human and un-savable? The changing of man genetic makeup and the mixing of man with silicon...man with machine...iron mixed with clay...The mixing with one another in marriage. (Daniel 2:43)...perhaps succeeding to the point where those who receive the Rev 13 mark can't be saved (Rev 14:10-11)...unless the days were cut short. (Matt 24:22)

I believe this will conclude the seed war with Christ Jesus as the victor.

I am going to take this OP, thought by thought in a separate post. I will say before I begin that the entire OP is based on speculative "some say" and "many say", without ever identifying the "some" and the "many", and the proceeds to determine which is correct through speculative, presuppositional, means. It does so without any exegesis of scripture or contextual examination.

 

[Arial]

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

We understand the seed of Eve...the mother of all..verse 20...refers to the linage from which Jesus would be born.
The linage as presented in the Gospel of Luke 3:23 and onwards..

By saying "we understand" and then proclaiming what everyone understands (an all-inclusive "we"), followed by a few differing opinions of what is understood is strange.

That is not what I understand at all. The seed of the woman is Jesus, not Mary's lineage. This seed, that is Jesus is passed through the male as Scripture clearly tells us, even when it gives his genealogy all the way back through Seth to Adam in Luke. Every one of those men in Jesus' lineage is a seed bearer, (according to the flesh).. Jesus comes from their loins (Heb 7:9) gives the principle.

Matt 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son, wo was descended from David according to the flesh---
Jer 23:5 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, wen I will raise up for David a righteous Branch and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Matt 15:22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from the region came out and was crying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David.

So, you have begun with a false premise that will distort truth in all that follows. I don't have time at the moment to deal with the rest but will return shortly.

 

[CrowCross]

By saying "we understand" and then proclaiming what everyone understands (an all-inclusive "we"), followed by a few differing opinions of what is understood is strange.

That is not what I understand at all. The seed of the woman is Jesus, not Mary's lineage. This seed, that is Jesus is passed through the male as Scripture clearly tells us, even when it gives his genealogy all the way back through Seth to Adam in Luke. Every one of those men in Jesus' lineage is a seed bearer, (according to the flesh).. Jesus comes from their loins (Heb 7:9) gives the principle.

Matt 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son, wo was descended from David according to the flesh---
Jer 23:5 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, wen I will raise up for David a righteous Branch and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Matt 15:22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from the region came out and was crying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David.

So, you have begun with a false premise that will distort truth in all that follows. I don't have time at the moment to deal with the rest but will return shortly.

????? I agree, Jesus was the final seed as shown through the linage presented in Luke.

What is the seed of the serpent...Satan?

 

[CrowCross]

I am going to take this OP, thought by thought in a separate post. I will say before I begin that the entire OP is based on speculative "some say" and "many say", without ever identifying the "some" and the "many", and the proceeds to determine which is correct through speculative, presuppositional, means. It does so without any exegesis of scripture or contextual examination.

I say "some say" and "many say" as a way to say that I'm not alone on this thinking.
Perhaps this way you in a later post won't claim I made it up.

In my post I've given you a brief...primer...exegesis and how it reflects contextual examination.

Thing is ALL of your theology comes from behind the red door of your church and is stored in the steeple.

All this from you the poster of speculation. Your kettle is black.

 

[Arial]

I say "some say" and "many say" as a way to say that I'm not alone on this thinking.
Perhaps this way you in a later post won't claim I made it up.

In my post I've given you a brief...primer...exegesis and how it reflects contextual examination.

Thing is ALL of your theology comes from behind the red door of your church and is stored in the steeple.

All this from you the poster of speculation. Your kettle is black.

Once again you post a post that is primarily a condemnation of a person, making wild assumptions (speculation about them) concerning things you could not possibly know about them.

Will Satan try again with a new plan (after failing at the cross) attempt to threaten humanity’s divine design via what is called "transhumanism"...rendering humans as not human and un-savable? The changing of man genetic makeup and the mixing of man with silicon...man with machine...iron mixed with clay...The mixing with one another in marriage. (Daniel 2:43)...perhaps succeeding to the point where those who receive the Rev 13 mark can't be saved (Rev 14:10-11)...unless the days were cut short. (Matt 24:22)

Is this what you are calling exegesis?

 

[CrowCross]

Once again you post a post that is primarily a condemnation of a person, making wild assumptions (speculation about them) concerning things you could not possibly know about them.

You are not addressing the question presented in the post....What is the seed of the Serpent?

Is this what you are calling exegesis?

It's simply a "primer" based upon the exegesis of the verses presented.

But, you're trying to short circuit the thread...now, stick to the topic or I will report you and ask that your off topic post be removed.

 

[Arial]

The above is the "her seed"....what is the "thy seed" mentioned? Many refer to this as the seed war.
This verse speaks of a spiritual war between Satan who is also known as the serpent and mankind coming from the seed of the Eve, the mother of all.

The Seed, Christ, comes from Mary, is born of woman. That is what it means by "her seed". But the baby she gives birth to is the Seed that will crush Satan's head. You cannot say in one breath that yes the Seed is Jesus and in the next say the seed of Eve is referring to all mankind. Scripture clearly states that it is in Adam, not Eve, that mankind went to war with God, not the devil (see Psalm 2). It is all in Adam who are the seed of Satan, and the seed in that case is not literal if Satan is a fallen angel. Angels have no seed which is why they do not marry. The seed of the woman is a literal "he". The seed of the serpent are the spiritual offspring of Satan. All mankind since Adam's fall.

1 John3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil"" whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. 8. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

In verse 8 we even see that to say there is a war going on between Satan and mankind is incorrect. The war is between Christ and the devil. Between God and the serpent.

Here is another reference that illustrate my point.
Gal 3:16 Now the promises were made to Abraham (a seed bearer in the genealogy of Jesus) and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one. "And to your offspring" who is Christ.

 

[Arial]

Some say that the prophecy (the protoevangelium) is that her offspring would be continually harassed by Satan and his followers...but there really isn't any genetic progeny seed mentioned as with Eve and her progeny. Satans seed is reduced to and mentioned as some sort of harassment.

Who says that?

Could the seed war be a hybrid threat....the mixing of fallen angel seed with humanity under the direction of Satan in an attempt to stop the pure linage mentioned above and eliminating the possibility of salvation for human kind?
That is polluting the DNA of man created in Gods image to the point that the linage of Jesus becomes null and void?

That would come under the heading of wild speculation that is based on an incorrect understanding of what the Bible from beginning to end depicts as a war against God and Satan. Not Satan and humanity. Satan is trying to destroy the Seed and the Seed is intent upon, and victorious in, not being destroyed but destroying the Serpent, and sin which results in death. Read the end of the story. The battle is waged by the means of humanity because the plan of redemption is taking place in history, through historical events, on the earth which was created for man. Christ is destroying Satan by redeeming persons for himself, at the cross, through his death, and resurrection. There is no need of a hybrid threat. None whatsoever. All men have been corrupted since Adam fell and in need of a Savior to change that. All men unless redeemed by Christ through faith are the sons and daughters of the serpent. The only way for Satan to win the war is to destroy the Redeemer. Too late for that. So now he strives to keep people from believing in Jesus through lies and deceptions and false teachings and persecution. Too late for that too. Believing in Christ is not a matter of choice. It is a matter of God's giving them to Christ. And no one can take any out of his hand or thwart his purpose to redeem them.

 

[CrowCross]

The Seed, Christ, comes from Mary, is born of woman. That is what it means by "her seed". But the baby she gives birth to is the Seed that will crush Satan's head. You cannot say in one breath that yes the Seed is Jesus and in the next say the seed of Eve is referring to all mankind. Scripture clearly states that it is in Adam, not Eve, that mankind went to war with God, not the devil (see Psalm 2). It is all in Adam who are the seed of Satan, and the seed in that case is not literal if Satan is a fallen angel. Angels have no seed which is why they do not marry. The seed of the woman is a literal "he". The seed of the serpent are the spiritual offspring of Satan. All mankind since Adam's fall.

1 John3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil"" whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. 8. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

In verse 8 we even see that to say there is a war going on between Satan and mankind is incorrect. The war is between Christ and the devil. Between God and the serpent.

Here is another reference that illustrate my point.
Gal 3:16 Now the promises were made to Abraham (a seed bearer in the genealogy of Jesus) and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one. "And to your offspring" who is Christ.

OK, but will you answer the question? What is the seed of the serpent mentioned in Gen 3?

In my OP I presented you with the linage of Christ....the linage from which the seed was passed down through and came to fruition with Mary at the birth of Christ Jesus.

 

[Arial]

That is polluting the DNA of man created in Gods image to the point that the linage of Jesus becomes null and void?

There is nothing IN SCRIPTURE that explicitly tells us angels intermarried with human women or that angels even have DNA. The speculation of DNA being polluted by fallen angels comes from an entirely human assumption that the only way to stop Christ from redeeming who he wills is to corrupt human DNA. But that is antithetical to the scripture that through one man Adam all became sinners headed for the just wrath of God. Being in Adam is the cause of man's corrupt state and the only cure is to be placed in Christ. Something only God can do. And its source for presenting fallen angels intermarrying with humans to produce this corrupt DNA comes from a source outside the Bible and that is the result of Hellenization of the dispersed Jews, explaining man's corruption and the war between good and evil, and bears a strong resemblance to the mythological creatures of Greek culture that surrounded them. These were said to be the result of a sexual union between a god and a human woman, producing a divine goddess. Something that should never be brought into Christianity. The Jews who promoted this simply reversed the myth. Evil spirit beings, angels, had relations with human women and produced a giant who corrupted mankind. Historical evidence will bear this out. Anyone can look it up for themselves. It has been presented in two other threads. I am not inclined to do it again just to have it ignored again and called speculation in order to do so.

 

[Arial]

There are many who would suggest this "seed" revealed in Genesis six was where Satans fallen angels produced hybrid offspring with humans in an almost successful attempt to destroy God plan of salvation. God puts a stop to the attempt by sending the flood.

Gen 6 doesn't say anything about seed. It identifies the seed bearer in chapters 4 and 5, which immediately precedes chapt 6, connecting that to chapter 6. In its original language there were no chapter breaks and so it was much less tempting to view the opening words of our chapt. 6 as totally unconnected to what went before. The only way those opening words make sense is if the identiy of the "sons of God" is clarified by the godly line of Seth---godly because they at that time followed God and in Seth's loins is the One who would come to crush the serpents head---not the giant's head. Noah. Shem. It was the marriage between those who followed God and those who did not, that watered down following God and mingled it with evil. Same reason he forbid the intermarriage between his sons (and daughters) Israel, from intermarriage with idol worshiping pagans.

later in scripture we read where God had used Israel to destroy the Nephillim in several battles for a second time after the flood where Satan re-introduced the polluted genome into mankind where God once again protected the seed of the woman so the Savior could be born.

None of that is in the Bible. God used Irael to destroy the idol worshiping pagans out of the land he was giving them. Saying Satan re-introduced the polluted genome is speculation stated as fact when no facts are produced. It is also to deny the doctrine of original sin. It is not the seed of the woman God is protecting as defined by you as all humanity, or all women? It is the bearer of the Seed. And he doesn't need to kill giants to do so. It would behove you to ceaese calling facts speculation and speculation facts.

Will Satan try again with a new plan (after failing at the cross) attempt to threaten humanity’s divine design via what is called "transhumanism"...rendering humans as not human and un-savable? The changing of man genetic makeup and the mixing of man with silicon...man with machine...iron mixed with clay...The mixing with one another in marriage. (Daniel 2:43)...perhaps succeeding to the point where those who receive the Rev 13 mark can't be saved (Rev 14:10-11)...unless the days were cut short. (Matt 24:22)

The misuse and grossly careless use of Scripture here is almost too much to address, jumping with no exegesis or systematic dealing with from scripture to scripture, tying them all together as if they were all speaking of the very thing you believe. I don't have time or much of an inclination knowing as I do it will all be ignored by simply dismissing it as speculation. But your entire OP was nothing but speculation, even produced using speculative words.

 

[CrowCross]

There is nothing IN SCRIPTURE that explicitly tells us angels intermarried with human women or that angels even have DNA.

At that point I stopped reading your post. I have already pointed it out to you.

{ Edit by mod for violation of rules 2.1 and 2.2 and 4.3}

 

[CrowCross]

The only way those opening words make sense is if the identiy of the "sons of God" is clarified by the godly line of Seth---

Job is the oldest book of the bible. The book of Job tells us who the sons of God are.

Got Questions put it this way...

The law (or principle or rule) of first mention is a guideline that some people use for studying Scripture. The law of first mention says that, to understand a particular word or doctrine, we must find the first place in Scripture that word or doctrine is revealed and study that passage. The reasoning is that the Bible’s first mention of a concept is the simplest and clearest presentation; doctrines are then more fully developed on that foundation. So, to fully understand an important and complex theological concept, Bible students are advised to start with its “first mention.”

 

[CrowCross]

@Arial ...now, I've asked you several times...will you answer?

What is the seed of the serpent mentioned in Gen 3?

 

[Arial]

@Arial ...now, I've asked you several times...will you answer?

What is the seed of the serpent mentioned in Gen 3?

. It is all in Adam who are the seed of Satan, and the seed in that case is not literal if Satan is a fallen angel. Angels have no seed which is why they do not marry. The seed of the woman is a literal "he". The seed of the serpent are the spiritual offspring of Satan. All mankind since Adam's fall.

Post #8. This is now 8 posts later.

 

[Arial]

Job is the oldest book of the bible. The book of Job tells us who the sons of God are.

Got Questions put it this way...

The law (or principle or rule) of first mention is a guideline that some people use for studying Scripture. The law of first mention says that, to understand a particular word or doctrine, we must find the first place in Scripture that word or doctrine is revealed and study that passage. The reasoning is that the Bible’s first mention of a concept is the simplest and clearest presentation; doctrines are then more fully developed on that foundation. So, to fully understand an important and complex theological concept, Bible students are advised to start with its “first mention.”

That is a ridiculous rule. The better way is to check all usages of a word or phrase and see how it applies to context and the full counsel of God on the subject. You have been shown in other threads (and it was ignored there too} that those God has chosen, and from either testament, are called sons of God. So given the context of Gen 4 and 5, which is naturally part of the context of six, the sons of God in Gen 6 are more likely godly men. Especially since there is nowhere in the Bible that mentions angel produced offspring with human women. And given the doctrine of original sin and the fact that all men are alienated from God by nature because of being born in Adam. even more weight is added to that interpretation.

 

[Arial]

At that point I stopped reading your post. I have already pointed it out to you.

{ Edit by mod for violation of rules 2.1 and 2.2 and 4.3}

That reminds me of my little sister when she was two. She thought if she couldn't see us, we couldn't see her. Logic and biblical soundness don't cease to exist just because you refuse to look at it.
Note from admin:
In the OP you presented an idea about seed wars and added various speculations and them presented your own concllusion. You asked several questions and answered them yourself. What puzzles me is that it was posted in a forum where it is assumed it is a topic that has been opened for discussion and debate. Assumed also would be that it was done so in good faith with the intent to be respectful, to listen to others, and have a willingness to learn. Anoud yet, you dismiss all that is said and the persons who say it. So certain are you that you are far above others what they say is not even considered by you to be worth reading. Offer no discussion, present yourself as so learned no one can possibly have anything to teach you. No willingness to be respectful or listen to others.

So, why did you post it?

This is not like the forums you are used to where members are allowed to run rough shod over other members, and there is nothing of value on the forum, just bickering and arguing and volumes of false teaching unchecked due to the cowardice or ignorance of staff I guess, or a greater concern for numbers and activity than value of content. The sooner you learn the difference and get on board, the better off you will be and so will the rest of us.

If you can't make a change and do it quickly in this thread, I will simply lock it so as to end your promotion of a false teaching.

 

[CrowCross]

Post #8. This is now 8 posts later.

Where does the bible say "The seed of the serpent are the spiritual offspring of Satan."

 

[Arial]

You are not addressing the question presented in the post....What is the seed of the Serpent?


It's simply a "primer" based upon the exegesis of the verses presented.

But, you're trying to short circuit the thread...now, stick to the topic or I will report you and ask that your off topic post be removed.

I am not trying to short circuit the thread. I asked a question. ANd the exegesis is what would make the scripture quote valid. What you think it means is not exegesis.

I am trying my best to stick to the topic but I get no cooperation I just get demeaned and insulted.