Sacred service being rendered to Jesus (Jehovah)

[Fred]

Since the Lamb (the Lord Jesus) is the proper recipient of "true worship" in Revelation 7:10 means He is the proper recipient of "sacred service."
This demonstrates Jesus is Jehovah.


The boldface below is mine.

The Watchtower: They must “listen” to the voice of the Fine Shepherd when he urges them to render sacred service only to Jehovah, to keep on seeking first the Kingdom, to keep separate from the world, and to show self-sacrificing love for one another. (Matthew 4:10; 6:31-33; John 15:12, 13, 19) (A Great Crowd of True Worshipers—From Where Have They Come?, February 1, 1995, page 11)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1995083

The Watchtower: True worship, however, is "sacred service" that we offer with our “power of reason.” (Romans 12:1) (Pay Constant Attention to Your Teaching, March 15, 1999, page 11)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1999201

The Watchtower: Many honesthearted people have joined them in true worship, and these all make up “a great crowd . . . out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, . . . and they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: ‘Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.’ (Revelation 7:9, 10) (Who Will Survive the Day of Jehovah?, May 1, 2002, page 23)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002325

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings Fred,

Since the Lamb (the Lord Jesus) is the proper recipient of "true worship" in Revelation 7:10 means He is the proper recipient of "sacred service."
This demonstrates Jesus is Jehovah.

Philippians 2:5–11 (KJV): 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Fred]

According to Luke 4:8, the Lord Jesus affirmed that latreuō is due unto God alone.
Since the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of latreuō demonstrates He is God.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Fred,

According to Luke 4:8, the Lord Jesus affirmed that latreuō is due unto God alone.
Since the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of latreuō demonstrates He is God.

Please refer again to Philippians 2:5-11 for the simple, clear and full story.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Fred]

Greetings again Fred,

Please refer again to Philippians 2:5-11 for the simple, clear and full story.

Kind regards
Trevor

It doesn't detract at all from the use of "alone" in Luke 4:8. In fact, Jesus is quoting from Deuteronomy 6 which demonstrates the "one Lord" of Deuteronomy 6:4 is linked with the worship that He alone is to receive.

 

[Fred]

Greetings again Fred,

Please refer again to Philippians 2:5-11 for the simple, clear and full story.

Kind regards
Trevor

Yes, it is sad that you couldn't refute the evidence I provided but still maintain the false belief that Jesus is not God.

The "one Lord" (YHWH) of Deuteronomy 6:4 is linked with latreuō that He alone is to receive (Deuteronomy 6:13; cf. Luke 4:8).

Since the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of latreuō demonstrates He is God.



Why do you reject YHWH of Deuteronomy 6:4 (cf. 6:13)?

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Fred,

Why do you reject YHWH of Deuteronomy 6:4 (cf. 6:13)?

I have given my exposition of the Yahweh Name in the following thread.

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This is different to the Trinitarian attempt to impose the Trinity on the O.T. teaching about the One God, Yahweh, God the Father and the development of this Name in and through our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Fred]

Greetings again Fred,

I have given my exposition of the Yahweh Name in the following thread.

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Which does not eradicate the truthfulness of Deuteronomy 6:4 which by the way Jesus quoted in Mark 12:29.

This is different to the Trinitarian attempt to impose the Trinity on the O.T. teaching about the One God, Yahweh, God the Father and the development of this Name in and through our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

This totally ignores the fact that the believer's relationship to the "one Lord" (YHWH) includes the fact that He alone is the proper recipient of latreuō.
If this can be ignored, then YHWH being the "one Lord" can be ignored as well (Deuteronomy 6:4).

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Fred,

Which does not eradicate the truthfulness of Deuteronomy 6:4 which by the way Jesus quoted in Mark 12:29.

I strongly endorse both Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:28-34 which teach that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father:

Mark 12:28–34 (KJV): 28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: 33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. 34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

The Yahweh Name is not We are that We are, or We will be who We will be, but I will be that/who I will be. The central focus of the development of the Yahweh Name is our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Fred]

Greetings again Fred,

I strongly endorse both Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:28-34 which teach that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father:

Mark 12:28–34 (KJV): 28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: 33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. 34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

The Yahweh Name is not We are that We are, or We will be who We will be, but I will be that/who I will be. The central focus of the development of the Yahweh Name is our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

If any other besides YHWH can be the proper recipient of latreuō then this belief goes against what is taught in both Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29.

 

[Mr GLee]

Which does not eradicate the truthfulness of Deuteronomy 6:4 which by the way Jesus quoted in Mark 12:29.





This totally ignores the fact that the believer's relationship to the "one Lord" (YHWH) includes the fact that He alone is the proper recipient of latreuō.
If this can be ignored, then YHWH being the "one Lord" can be ignored as well (Deuteronomy 6:4).

Yes Jehovah (Almighty God who has become our salvation) our invisible Faithfull Creator that works with those yoked with his labor of love. .

The Holy Father used the son of man Jesus dying mankind to demonstrate the the whole world the work of the invisible head Christ, the husband

God is not Jewish man as King of kings That is a design of the father of lies the king of lying signs to wonder, wonder,s wonder after . . .Giving the illusion God is still adding to prophecy

"The god of this world he lust of the eye with the lust of the flesh the two building blocks to false pride

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

[Keiw1]

Since the Lamb (the Lord Jesus) is the proper recipient of "true worship" in Revelation 7:10 means He is the proper recipient of "sacred service."
This demonstrates Jesus is Jehovah.


The boldface below is mine.

The Watchtower: They must “listen” to the voice of the Fine Shepherd when he urges them to render sacred service only to Jehovah, to keep on seeking first the Kingdom, to keep separate from the world, and to show self-sacrificing love for one another. (Matthew 4:10; 6:31-33; John 15:12, 13, 19) (A Great Crowd of True Worshipers—From Where Have They Come?, February 1, 1995, page 11)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1995083

The Watchtower: True worship, however, is "sacred service" that we offer with our “power of reason.” (Romans 12:1) (Pay Constant Attention to Your Teaching, March 15, 1999, page 11)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1999201

The Watchtower: Many honesthearted people have joined them in true worship, and these all make up “a great crowd . . . out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, . . . and they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: ‘Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.’ (Revelation 7:9, 10) (Who Will Survive the Day of Jehovah?, May 1, 2002, page 23)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002325

Psalm 110:1-quoted at Matt 22:44--= The utterance of YHVH(Jehovah) to my Lord( Jesus) is sit at MY( NOT OURS) right hand until I( NOT WE) make your enemies your footstool.)--All who understand English for SELF can see 2 separate beings. 1 is Jehovah=God, 1 is Lord= Jesus--they are not the same being. One CANNOT sit at their own right hand.--You are mislead by the darkness.

 

[Fred]

they are not the same being.

The JW's affirm true worship is taking place in Revelation 7:10.

You dodged this fact.

 

[Keiw1]

The JW's affirm true worship is taking place in Revelation 7:10.

You dodged this fact.

Stop deceiving others Fred. That is a quality of satan. You know 100% No JW on earth gives worship to one who has a God. We worship-JEHOVAH only.

 

[Fred]

Stop deceiving others Fred. That is a quality of satan. You know 100% No JW on earth gives worship to one who has a God. We worship-JEHOVAH only.

Revelation 7:10 isn't going away (Proverbs 13:13a).

All your dodging and evasion won't change this fact.

 

[Mr GLee]

Revelation 7:10 isn't going away (Proverbs 13:13a).

All your dodging and evasion won't change this fact.

The lamb of God points to the unseen power of the father, the invisible head Christ.


It was slain in principle during the 6 days Christ did work . The demonstration of the finished work Again demonstration


God is not lamb. Neither is he dying mankind

 

[Fred]

The lamb of God points to the unseen power of the father, the invisible head Christ.


It was slain in principle during the 6 days Christ did work . The demonstration of the finished work Again demonstration


God is not lamb. Neither is he dying mankind

And yet worship is being EQUALLY rendered unto the Father and to the Son in Revelation 7:10.

 

[Mr GLee]

And yet worship is being EQUALLY rendered unto the Father and to the Son in Revelation 7:10.

Yes the promise of two working as one .Using the temporal created dying things seen, Jesus the Son of man to give the Fathers spiritual unseen understanding

Strengthened by unseen Holy Spirit the Father (The faithful Let there be) working in the Son of man Jesus .The Son crying out to the father. . for comfort strengthen, finishing the work of two empowered by one. The food the disciples knew not of both to will understand, and do to the glory of the Father.

The promise of the three day and night demonstration of the lamb that was slain from the foundation .The six days he did work. The "dynamic dual' the Elohim in Genesis 1:26

The father striking the heel of Son with the letter of the law "death" crushed the head of the serpent .fulfilling the witness of two working as one . . .both Genesis 3:15 and Isiah 53 . . beginning in the garden of Gethsemane ending in the tomb .

A God who would stoop humbling himself so low revealing himself as coming in dying flesh to show his mercy mixed with grace. as his love for his wife the church

Psalms 113: 5-9 Who is like unto the Lord our God, who dwelleth on high, Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven, and in the earth! He raised up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth the needy out of the dunghill; That he may set him with princes, even with the princes of his people. He maketh the barren woman to keep house, and to be a joyful mother of children. Praise ye the Lord.

Interesting phrase . . .behold the things that are in heaven, and in the earth. it would seem like the law of interptation as a parable compare the unseen eternal things of God to the temporal dying thing the gospel understanding

2 Corinthians 4:18King James Version18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Keiw1]

Revelation 7:10 isn't going away (Proverbs 13:13a).

All your dodging and evasion won't change this fact.

You twisting rev 7:10 carries no weight. All ones in darkness twist it.

 

[Fred]

You twisting rev 7:10 carries no weight. All ones in darkness twist it.

Pitiful attempt on your part in that I quoted from the writings of the JW's.