Romans 11:26a.... And so all Israel will be saved.

[EarlyActs]

Think Jesus statement referred to the Jewish Peoples at that time of His first coming would on the hole reject Him as promised messiah, but at His second coming, the living Jews indeed shall cry out to Him 'grieving .mourning over Him, and saying Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"

No it’s an ethical reality right then. It is not a prediction.

The mourning over him has taken place as noted in John, a fulfilled event.

 

[EarlyActs]

The power of the Bible is not predicting our future. Even though we know the end.

It is asserting that Christ was enthroned in the resurrection and all people , high or low, must honor him. Ps 2 and 110, and Acts 2:30,31.

 

[EarlyActs]

Jn 19:37 is one of many places where the fulfillment is clearly in the Gospel event, not future judgement, and where the repeat quote in the Rev shows that it has a present (that generation) meaning. Another major one is the Lk 23:24 where the line about the dread of the judgement that is to take place in that generation, which is also mentioned in the Rev.

The synoptics 'future' is mostly about the end of that generation (Mt 24 up to 29), with the allowance that the world might not end by then. If you know the Rev, you know the first page says it is about that time also, but when you get to the end of the document, yes, this world is gone and a new has come, after Christ has reigned a long time. Very similar outlooks.

 

[Josheb]

Think Jesus statement referred to the Jewish Peoples at that time of His first coming would on the hole reject Him as promised messiah, but at His second coming, the living Jews indeed shall cry out to Him 'grieving .mourning over Him, and saying Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"

...or cry out in despair for the mountains to fall on them to spare them from divine judgment.

 

[EarlyActs]

Corr: Mt 24 up to v29. The original understanding of the apostles was that the world would end after the destruction of Israel.

 

[JesusFan]

Corr: Mt 24 up to v29. The original understanding of the apostles was that the world would end after the destruction of Israel.

Full preterism is heretical view

 

[JesusFan]

...or cry out in despair for the mountains to fall on them to spare them from divine judgment.

Not would be before His second coming event itself

 

[Josheb]

Not would be before His second coming event itself

Meaningless assembly of words

Do you think there will absolutely no people at all considering self-destruction to avoid God's wrath (regardless of the timing of Rev. 6:16)?

 

[EarlyActs]

Full preterism is heretical view

So? I'm not. As my post says, the expectation of the apostles (not the history) was that the world would end right after the DoJ. That's clear from Mt 24 or even unrelated passages like I Cor 7 about marriage, and from the fact that 2 Peter 3 has to explain a delay. If you are explaining a delay, you are not "full" because the coming in judgement has not yet happened. Which is exactly what 2P3 says.

 

[Josheb]

So? I'm not.

I'm just covering the base. Full-preterism is wrong. If you're not full-pret then that's good. No need for further commentary or explanation.

As my post says, the expectation of the apostles (not the history) was that the world would end right after the DoJ.

That is incorrect. They did not expect the world to end. They expected the world to be changed. The changes they were expecting were sometimes worded in extremely violent terms, apocalyptic imagery, and fundamentally alterations at the foundation of existence but the world was not going to cease to exist.

That's clear from..

No, it's not. It might be clear from your interpretation of those various passages, but those interpretations are inconsistent with the whole of scripture. The very first verse of the Bible is God creating both the heavens and the earth, and the very last verse of the Bible is about Jesus...... coming to earth. He cannot come to earth if there is no earth. At the foundation of the "world's-gonna-end" position is false presupposition God wants to, and will, destroy His own creation. God created creation for a purpose, and He always and everywhere succeeds. The purpose of creating creation is not creation's destruction.


That's just dumb.


And, just saying, any full-pret who thinks the apostles expected the world would literally end has contradicted himself because the full-pret version of that would be the world has already ended and you and I aren't really here .
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[JesusFan]

Meaningless assembly of words

Do you think there will absolutely no people at all considering self-destruction to avoid God's wrath (regardless of the timing of Rev. 6:16)?

Yes per the Bible there will be, but those would not be the jews alive when the See Jesus, as they will cry out to Him now "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"

 

[Josheb]

Yes per the Bible there will be...

That's all that needs to be said. The point is made and there's no "but..." to it. Whatever else might occur the fact is some will seek to avoid judgement with their own destruction.

 

[EarlyActs]

Yes per the Bible there will be, but those would not be the jews alive when the See Jesus, as they will cry out to Him now "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"

I think you have a few bit piece verses that you are trying to string together into a system. It doesn’t work.

 

[JesusFan]

I think you have a few bit piece verses that you are trying to string together into a system. It doesn’t work.

Could be that, but also think that while right now the Lord deals with Spiritual Israel of saved jews and saved Gentiles, He still has plans in mind for national Israel to be reborn as a nation unto Yahweh and His King the Lord Jesus

 

[EarlyActs]

Could be that, but also think that while right now the Lord deals with Spiritual Israel of saved jews and saved Gentiles, He still has plans in mind for national Israel to be reborn as a nation unto Yahweh and His King the Lord Jesus

Were they ever? Would there be a temple or is John 2&4 true? Is it possible after all the qualifications of Rom 1-11 that 'all Israel' in v26 is just another way of saying 'all the seed of Abraham' (which has been explained as those who believe)?

 

[Josheb]

Were they ever? Would there be a temple or is John 2&4 true? Is it possible after all the qualifications of Rom 1-11 that 'all Israel' in v26 is just another way of saying 'all the seed of Abraham' (which has been explained as those who believe)?

Or "all those in whom God perseveres" (because that is what the name "Israel" literally means)? All those in whom God perseveres will be saved. Not all Israel are those in whom God perseveres, but the ones in whom God perseveres will be saved.