Romans 11:26a.... And so all Israel will be saved.

[makesends]

Does not the text do that: "The Scripture does not say 'and to seeds,' meaning many people, but 'and to your seed,' meaning one person, who is Christ." (Gal 3:16)

Or am I misunderstanding?

Yes, it does. I was pushing the person that posted it, to bring that out.

 

[brightfame52]

Does not the text do that: "The Scripture does not say 'and to seeds,' meaning many people, but 'and to your seed,' meaning one person, who is Christ." (Gal 3:16)

Or am I misunderstanding?

I believe that's Christ Mystical, meaning Him and His seed in Him. He is the Head and they are His Body and therefor One. Vs 29 collaborates that at it calls all who belong to Christ the same seed of Abraham 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

 

[EarlyActs]

Galatians 3:15+

He means that all the Seed promises are actually about Christ; secondarily they are about those in Christ. 3:29

 

[EarlyActs]

What do you mean ? What is 3:15

It should have been 3:16.

Galatians is very condensed and covers so much, but many people don’t treat it as the official NT view.

 

[brightfame52]

The True Israel, the Church are those people who have Abraham’s spiritual faith regardless of their ethnicity Gal 3:7,26-29

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 4:16

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Gal 6:16

16 And as many as walk according to this rule[rule of faith], peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.7

 

[brightfame52]

Who is the Holy Nation ?

1 Pet 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Many believe this speaks of ethnic national israel over in the middle east, but that is far from the truth. The Holy Nation here is non other than the Body of Christ, the Church comprised of both jew and gentile converts, believers. How do i know this ? Well its by scripture comparison, this same Holy Nation here in 1 Pet 2:9 is called also in Vs 5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Its called a Spiritual House which has reference to the Temple/Tabernacle of God of God, which is Spiritual.

Now this same epithet is used for the Church in Eph 2:19-22

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Spiritual House of 1 Pet 2:5 and the Holy Temple/Habitation of God through the Spirit of Eph 2:21,22 are the same !

And if that be so, the Church, comprised of both reconciled jew and gentile converts of Eph 2 is the Holy Nation of 1 Pet 2:9

The fulfillment of Ex 19:6

And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

This isnt replacement theology but fulfillment theology according to the scriptures.

 

[EarlyActs]

Who is the Holy Nation ?

1 Pet 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Many believe this speaks of ethnic national israel over in the middle east, but that is far from the truth. The Holy Nation here is non other than the Body of Christ, the Church comprised of both jew and gentile converts, believers. How do i know this ? Well its by scripture comparison, this same Holy Nation here in 1 Pet 2:9 is called also in Vs 5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Its called a Spiritual House which has reference to the Temple/Tabernacle of God of God, which is Spiritual.

Now this same epithet is used for the Church in Eph 2:19-22

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Spiritual House of 1 Pet 2:5 and the Holy Temple/Habitation of God through the Spirit of Eph 2:21,22 are the same !

And if that be so, the Church, comprised of both reconciled jew and gentile converts of Eph 2 is the Holy Nation of 1 Pet 2:9

The fulfillment of Ex 19:6

And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

This isnt replacement theology but fulfillment theology according to the scriptures.

There actually is a replacement theology that is a problem in Gal 3; someone was trying to void and remove the Promise with the Law. Gee, I wonder who that would be?

 

[brightfame52]

There actually is a replacement theology

Its bible theology, see the scriptures provided

 

[EarlyActs]

Its bible theology, see the scriptures provided

Provided where?

The replacement mentioned in Gal 3:15 or 16 is not Biblical; that’s why Paul is opposing it.

(Note: understanding this will call on your keenest attention to the passage)

 

[Josheb]

It has been on my heart to have a better understanding of Israel according to the Bible.

For an answer that is entirely scripture-based and does not appeal to extra-biblical sources, read HERE. In particular, read posts 14, 21, 31, and 44. In a sentence, the answer can be stated as, "Israel is those in whom God perseveres with Christological (or salvific) purpose." It is truly that simple.

One point not mentioned in that thread is that Israel is Jesus. Matthew makes this clear when he quotes Hosea 11:1 and applies it to Jesus.

Hosea 11:1 ESV
When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Matthew 2:14-15 ESV
And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

That prophecy was about Jesus, not a geo-political nation-state. When he in whom I persevere was a child, I called my son out of Egypt. If scripture is read (all of it, from the first time the word "Israel;" is ever mentioned all the way to its last mention with "those in whom God perseveres" in mind a wealth of understanding is had. Very rarely does the Bible explicitly use the word "Israel" to refer to a geo-political nation-state.

 

[brightfame52]

Provided where?

You responded to it and called it replacement theology post 66. Did I not use scripture ?

 

[EarlyActs]

Provided where?

The replacement mentioned in Gal 3:15 or 16 is not Biblical; that’s why Paul is opposing it.

(Note: understanding this will call on your keenest attention to the passage)

I’m trying to help your case , make it sharper. Yes the NT is about fulfillment theology.

But in Gal 3:15-16, Paul complains that the (Genesis) Promise about Christ has been voided and displaced by the Law (in current Judaism that he grew up in).

He identified a replacement theology by Judaism . He countered it.

And yes he validates that the promise to the Gentiles was fulfilled in Christ. Not through the Law. Cp Eph 3:5-6. So Gentiles can be the seed of Abraham by faith in Christ!

The modern RT is even more confused than the one in Gal 3!

 

[brightfame52]

I’m trying to help your case , make it sharper. Yes the NT is about fulfillment theology.

But in Gal 3:15-16, Paul complains that the (Genesis) Promise about Christ has been voided and displaced by the Law (in current Judaism that he grew up in).

He identified a replacement theology by Judaism . He countered it.

And yes he validates that the promise to the Gentiles was fulfilled in Christ. Not through the Law. Cp Eph 3:5-6. So Gentiles can be the seed of Abraham by faith in Christ!

The modern RT is even more confused than the one in Gal 3!

I don't agree with you and you have opposed my reasons why I do.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

For an answer that is entirely scripture-based and does not appeal to extra-biblical sources, read HERE. In particular, read posts 14, 21, 31, and 44. In a sentence, the answer can be stated as, "Israel is those in whom God perseveres with Christological (or salvific) purpose." It is truly that simple.

One point not mentioned in that thread is that Israel is Jesus. Matthew makes this clear when he quotes Hosea 11:1 and applies it to Jesus.

Hosea 11:1 ESV
When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Matthew 2:14-15 ESV
And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

That prophecy was about Jesus, not a geo-political nation-state. When he in whom I persevere was a child, I called my son out of Egypt. If scripture is read (all of it, from the first time the word "Israel;" is ever mentioned all the way to its last mention with "those in whom God perseveres" in mind a wealth of understanding is had. Very rarely does the Bible explicitly use the word "Israel" to refer to a geo-political nation-state.

Thank you

 

[brightfame52]

The True Israel of God, the Church, Paul calls them the circumcision , which is another name for Israel Phil 3:3

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Paul was writing to the Church at Philipi Phil 1:1

Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

In fact, all the Saints in Christ Jesus are the circumcision, which worship God in the Spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus. Circumcision here is not physical, what the jews practiced under the Old Covenant, no it has noting to do with that. Its the circumcision of the heart Rom 2:29

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

What's been stated here is the New Birth, Gal 6:15

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

The circumcision of Christ Col 2:11

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

This is the Church, Spiritual Israel, Christs seed ! 7

 

[EarlyActs]

I don't agree with you and you have opposed my reasons why I do.

Do you see the RT of Paul's time in Gal 3:

17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

The Promise to the gentiles cannot be set aside or voided. The RT of Paul's time said it could.

 

[brightfame52]

Do you see the RT of Paul's time in Gal 3:

17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

The Promise to the gentiles cannot be set aside or voided. The RT of Paul's time said it could.

Huh? You lost me

 

[Josheb]

26a. And so all Israel will be saved.

I notice no one has bothered to ask (or answer) "Saved from what?"

How can the verse stating all Israel will be saved discussed without knowing from what it is to be saved? I've also noticed the scriptures Paul uses in his Romans 9-11 commentary have not been broached. How then can the salvation of Israel be discussed with any substance of the contexts in which Paul explicitly couched his commentary are not considered examined? Paul explicitly stated a remnant had been preserved "at the present time," and there is nothing in the entire three-chapter commentary Paul has the far distant future in mind in anything he wrote. Paul's citing the Old Testament prophets is that those prophecies had or were reaching their fulfillment at the present time when he wrote the epistle. Whatever salvation he is asserting is one occurring at or soon after the time of his writing the Romans epistle (circa 58 AD). The implication of

Can we all agree all geo-political nation-state or bloodline Israel was not, has not been, and is not currently saved from sin?