Can you summarize for me what you think that he said? BTW, He stated that He believed that the birth of the Church was in the upper room, not at Pentecost. Interesting.
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Regeneration and born again are not synonymous
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No. . .that is not according to the NT.
According to the NT: man is spiritiually dead and spiritually powerless until his spirit is born again into eternal life by the sovereign choice of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5), whose sovereign choice is as unaccountable as the wind ( Jn 3:6-8).
No, according to Scripture, regeneration didn't "beget regeneration". . .rather tortuous construct.
They were reborn into eternal life the OT in the same way they are reborn into eternal life in the NT. . .
through faith in the promise (Ge 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:17).
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Hey Arial
R.C. -- He saying the OT believers looked forward to the cross, and they did, but the cross wasn't realized until it happened. If any OT believer had been with God before the cross, that would, in fact, be God winking at sin. His Holiness would be winking at sin and compromised, His justice would be winking at sin and compromised. How can someone be in God's presence while still being unclean? That would stand the symbolism of the OT sacrifice to enter into the Holy of Holy's on it's head. The sacrifice happens first, then they are able to be with God. You see the illustration of it, right? The illustration that R.C. used suggest the same thing that I've been saying. The fact that he used Romans 3:25 sheds even more light on his point. If atonement was already applied, why would God need to pass over their sins of the OT believers to begin with? He passed over their sin until His justice was actually met. His Holy Standards were actually met. Not by promise, but by realization.
In the OT, just before the cross, in John 3:13. think of the implication of this.
"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven."
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But that's the OT, right? Testament means Covenant, and vise versa.
Hebrews 9:16-17 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
Jesus was recorded crucified in John chapter 19. So John chapter 3 is still the Old Testament. Since Jesus rose from the dead, His covenant/Testament is a permanent one.
It's constructed from Scripture, not tradition.
See John 3:13
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The Greek word for "born" is "gennao". The Greek word translated "regeneration" is "paliggenesia" made up of two words, "palin" meaning "again, anew", and "genesia", which means "1) source, origin 1a) a book of one’s lineage, i.e. in which his ancestry or progeny are enumerated
2) used of birth, nativity." So in the bible, regeneration and "born again" are the same thing.
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