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Reconsidering Daniel 12:6-7

Jarhead4Jesus

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Daniel 12 contains a very interesting Q&A.

v6 (Question) "How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?"
v7 (Answer) "it shall be for a time, times, and an half;"

If you've been around (sunday school) for a while that phrase, 'time, times, and an half' would probably sound familiar.
That's because a similar phrase is also found in Daniel 7:25 (a time and times and the dividing of time.) and in Revelation 12:14 (a time, and times, and half a time).

For brevities sake, I will not give an exhaustive explanation here. But that phrase, in all of it's forms, has come to be understood as meaning a three and a half (3.5) year period of time.

Time = 1
Times = 2
Half = .5
Total = 3.5

It's worth your time to revisit the surronding text of each of those verses.

It is generally understood that these 3.5 years are the amount of time between the abomination of desolation (at the middle of the Tribulation) and the second coming of Christ. In context, I agree. That is a reasonable explanation for the phrase in Daniel 7:25 and in Revelation 12:14. However, in context, it is not a reasonable explanation for the phrase in Daniel 12:7.

When we take a closer look at the question, and the discussion that leads up to the question, we find that a 3.5 year period of time cannot be a reasonable explanation.

The question is certainly soliciting a time-based response. But there are no specific parameters given that even imply the abomination of desolation, the second coming of Christ, or even the Tribulation. In fact, it's asking for the amount of time until the 'end of these wonders'. So, what was the last 'wonder' that was given?

Daniel 12:2-3 contain the last event given.
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

There is only one event given in scripture, where the dead are 'awaken' to 'shame and everlasting contempt'. That event is called the 'great white throne judgement' and it's found in Revelation 20:11-15.

It's relevant to note, that the messianic prophecy that began in Genesis 3:15, is finished in Revelation 20:15.

So the question in Daniel 12:6 is actually asking how long it will be until the end of the great white throne judgement.

Thus, the answer cannot be 3.5 years.

If we look at the prophecies from Daniel's time until the 'end of these wonders', we find that there are three large time-based prophecies.

Daniel 9:24-26 is the '70 weeks' prophecy
Hosea 5:15-6:2 is the 'after two-days' prophecy
and Revelation 20:1-10 is the reign of Christ prophecy

The attached file is provided to give an easy visual explanation for how these prophecies are linked together with the answer given in Daniel 12:7, "it shall be for a time, times, and an half;"

Time = the 1,000 year reign of Christ
Times = the 2,000 years from Christ's ascention to the Tribulation
Half = the '70 weeks' prophecy which is 490 years.

There's also a short time between the second coming of Christ and the beginning of His thousand-year reign, and a 'little season' that Satan will be released to deceive the nations.

In conclusion, the answer given in Daniel 12:7 means 3,500 years.
 

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Greetings Jarhead4Jesus,
If you've been around (sunday school) for a while that phrase, 'time, times, and an half' would probably sound familiar.
That's because a similar phrase is also found in Daniel 7:25 (a time and times and the dividing of time.) and in Revelation 12:14 (a time, and times, and half a time).
For brevities sake, I will not give an exhaustive explanation here. But that phrase, in all of it's forms, has come to be understood as meaning a three and a half (3.5) year period of time.
To be brief, I agree that these time periods add up to 3.5 years, and on the day for a year principle this represents 1260 years in each prophecy. I understand that this period of time in Daniel 7 speaks of the supremacy of the RCC and its persecution of the faithful during that period. I have a tentative view of the three time periods in Daniel 12, 1260, 1290, 1335 but will withhold my opinion at this time and here.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Trevor, are you including the Daniel 12:6-7 passage as being subject to the day for a year principle?
If so, what is your process? How would the 'time, times, and an half' from Daniel 12 add up to only 3.5 years, given the parameters of the question in verse 6 ?
 
Greetings again Jarhead4Jesus,
In conclusion, the answer given in Daniel 12:7 means 3,500 years.
I need to apologise as I have reread your OP and this seems to give your perspective of the start and end of your 3500 years. The problem that I see with this is that your 3500 years finishes at the end of the 1000 years, while the 1335 time period ends with the resurrection of Daniel which is at the beginning of the 1000 years.

Daniel 12:7–13 (KJV): 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. 8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Trevor, great observation and thank you for bringing this up.

As we look at the Daniel 12, the question in verse 6 is not the same timeframe as found in verses 11-13. In fact, a completely new timeframe is defined in verse 11. Therefore, the answers given, are not relevant to each other.

Question in verse 6, "How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?"
The timeframe is from Daniel 11:2 ,"and now I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia;" to Daniel 12:3.
The great white throne judgement is found in Daniel 12:2, "...and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

The timeframe given in Daniel 12:11, "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

These are clearly not the same timeframes, and therefore, the number of days given in Daniel 12:11-12 are not relevant to the answer given in Daniel 12:7, "... it shall be for a time, times, and an half;"

I agree that the 1335th day is the beginning of the thousand year reign of Christ. Although, the 'end of these wonders' is the great white throne judgement.

Hoping that this adds clarity to my original post.
 
Daniel 12 contains a very interesting Q&A.

v6 (Question) "How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?"
v7 (Answer) "it shall be for a time, times, and an half;"

If you've been around (sunday school) for a while that phrase, 'time, times, and an half' would probably sound familiar.
That's because a similar phrase is also found in Daniel 7:25 (a time and times and the dividing of time.) and in Revelation 12:14 (a time, and times, and half a time).

For brevities sake, I will not give an exhaustive explanation here. But that phrase, in all of it's forms, has come to be understood as meaning a three and a half (3.5) year period of time.

Time = 1
Times = 2
Half = .5
Total = 3.5

It's worth your time to revisit the surronding text of each of those verses.

It is generally understood that these 3.5 years are the amount of time between the abomination of desolation (at the middle of the Tribulation) and the second coming of Christ. In context, I agree. That is a reasonable explanation for the phrase in Daniel 7:25 and in Revelation 12:14. However, in context, it is not a reasonable explanation for the phrase in Daniel 12:7.

When we take a closer look at the question, and the discussion that leads up to the question, we find that a 3.5 year period of time cannot be a reasonable explanation.

The question is certainly soliciting a time-based response. But there are no specific parameters given that even imply the abomination of desolation, the second coming of Christ, or even the Tribulation. In fact, it's asking for the amount of time until the 'end of these wonders'. So, what was the last 'wonder' that was given?

Daniel 12:2-3 contain the last event given.
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

There is only one event given in scripture, where the dead are 'awaken' to 'shame and everlasting contempt'. That event is called the 'great white throne judgement' and it's found in Revelation 20:11-15.

It's relevant to note, that the messianic prophecy that began in Genesis 3:15, is finished in Revelation 20:15.

So the question in Daniel 12:6 is actually asking how long it will be until the end of the great white throne judgement.

Thus, the answer cannot be 3.5 years.

If we look at the prophecies from Daniel's time until the 'end of these wonders', we find that there are three large time-based prophecies.

Daniel 9:24-26 is the '70 weeks' prophecy
Hosea 5:15-6:2 is the 'after two-days' prophecy
and Revelation 20:1-10 is the reign of Christ prophecy

The attached file is provided to give an easy visual explanation for how these prophecies are linked together with the answer given in Daniel 12:7, "it shall be for a time, times, and an half;"

Time = the 1,000 year reign of Christ
Times = the 2,000 years from Christ's ascention to the Tribulation
Half = the '70 weeks' prophecy which is 490 years.

There's also a short time between the second coming of Christ and the beginning of His thousand-year reign, and a 'little season' that Satan will be released to deceive the nations.

In conclusion, the answer given in Daniel 12:7 means 3,500 years.
The attached file contains the full explanation of Daniel 12:6-7.
 

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The attached file contains the most current and full explanation for Reconsidering Daniel 12:6-7, complete with two diagrams at the end.
 

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The attached file contains the final and complete explanation for Reconsidering Daniel 12:6-7.
New information has been added concerning the relationship between Daniel 7 and Daniel 11-12.
It also contains a page for the Strong's Concordance references, showing that the 'time, times, and an half' of Daniel 12:7 should not be interpreted the same as Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 12:14.
 

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