Reading/Hearing Scripture is only a start

[sawdust]

God's redemptive work probably occurs all in one package: rebirth, faith, salvation.

There's no "probably" about it. Grace, faith, salvation (regeneration) all in one package eternally. Now, how you work that salvation out? That is another story.

Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith

 

[sawdust]

This since they don't believe that God can even communicate with one who's "Totally depraved' (WHICH IS SILLY). All through the OLD Testament God was dealing with "Totally depraved" people, since NOBODY was "Born again" - yet..

Of course they were born again. If not, then they were still dead in their sin. To be born again is to be made spiritually alive.

Ephesians 2:1
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,

 

[prism]

This is why Paul commands us to "be filled with the Spirit" (Eph.5:18). Without the filling of the Spirit we cannot comprehend biblical truths let alone make application.

These two on the Road to Emmaus were not yet believers, so I doubt they would have known about that as the Spirit hadn't yet been given.

 

[prism]

Calvinists always Tell me that "Regeneration" IS NOT "Salvation", and argue about What comes FIRST - "Regeneration" or "FAITH".

As Calvinists hopefully they know regeneration comes first.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

God's redemptive work probably occurs all in one package: rebirth, faith, salvation.

And FAITH is the "Motor" that drives 'em all. WItout FAITH (Heb 11:1) all you've got is "Religion", and "Theology".

 

[Bob Carabbio]

No, they were anointed with the Spirit like the prophets of old and told to wait for the baptism of the Spirit. Christ breathed on them in John 20:22 not in them. They were not indwelt bodily until Pentecost.

That's the "Cessationist" mantra. Jesus used the word "endued" with power from on high. "Enduement is a "Clothing with", not an indwelling.

You apparently believe that when GOD (Jesus) BREATHES on a person, NOTHING HAPPENS.

 

[Carbon]

And FAITH is the "Motor" that drives 'em all. WItout FAITH (Heb 11:1) all you've gpd is "Religion", and "Theology".

No. That's putting the buggy before the horse. And you know the buggy doesn't pull the horse Bob.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

As Calvinists hopefully they know regeneration comes first.

Which makes no sense AT ALL. FAITH is what drives Everything., and Conviction of SIN is God's WORD to the person, which is the SOURCE of FAITH.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

No. That's putting the buggy before the horse. And you know the buggy doesn't pull the horse Bob.

Meaningless. No explanation, just "words".

 

[prism]

Which makes no sense AT ALL. FAITH is what drives Everything., and Conviction of SIN is God's WORD to the person, which is the SOURCE of FAITH.

Conviction of sin comes from the Holy Spirit (Jn 16:8), the same One who quickens...

John 6:63,65 NKJV
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. [65] And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."

 

[sawdust]

These two on the Road to Emmaus were not yet believers, so I doubt they would have known about that as the Spirit hadn't yet been given.

Who said they weren't believers? Does this sound like an unbeliever?

Luke 24:32
32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

 

[sawdust]

That's the "Cessationist" mantra. Jesus used the word "endued" with power from on high. "Enduement is a "Clothing with", not an indwelling.

You apparently believe that when GOD (Jesus) BREATHES on a person, NOTHING HAPPENS.

You seem to like telling other people what they believe. First the Calvinists and now me.

Have a nice day mate.

 

[JIM]

Here is why...

Luke 24:45
And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

That was directed specifically to His disciples, the twelve minus Judas. There is no basis for assuming that to be applicable to any others: Luke 24:44 Then he said to them, "These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you...."

 

[Eleanor]

There's no "probably" about it. Grace, faith, salvation (regeneration)

Salvation is not regeneration.

Regeneration is the new birth by sovereign act of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5), as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8).
Prior to that, one cannot even see the kingdom of God, much less enter it.

While salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ, not by works (Eph 2:8-9), and is from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) on one's sin at the final judgment.

all in one package eternally. Now, how you work that salvation out? That is another story.

Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith

That salvation by faith in Jesus Christ results in faith's obedience to God, which obedience is evidence that the faith is true and not counterfeit (Mt 7:22-23).

 

[Eleanor]

And FAITH is the "Motor" that drives 'em all. WItout FAITH (Heb 11:1) all you've got is "Religion", and "Theology".

And there is no faith without the rebirth.

 

[Eleanor]

More "Buzz words". John 20:22 is when the Disciples were INDWELLED by the Holy Spirit (resulting in Luke 24:45).

Being "Filled with the Spirit" / "Baptized in the Holy SPirit" is Acts 2:4, and is the Holy Spirit UPON the disciples, who were already "Infilled" by Him.
John 20:22 is INTERNAL, and Acts 2:4 is EXTERNAL.

People all through the Old Testament were gifted to do miracles when the Holy Spirit CAME ON THEM.

BUT, the Holy Spirit WAS IN none of them until after Calvary.

". . .he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit." (Jn 20:22)

 

[Eleanor]

Calvinists always Tell me that "Regeneration" IS NOT "Salvation", and argue about What comes FIRST - "Regeneration" or "FAITH".

Meaningless. No explanation, just "words".

The dead in trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1) do not raise themselves to spiritual life and believe.

They are raised from spiritual death to eternal life by the sovereign new birth of the Holy Spirit, whose choice is as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:3-8), whereupon they are able to see, hear and believe by the Holy Spirit.

 

[JIM]

Salvation is not regeneration.

Tit 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

 

[prism]

Who said they weren't believers? Does this sound like an unbeliever?

Luke 24:32
32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

They seemed to be Jews hoping in their messiah, but I was going by this exchange...

Luke 24:19,21,25-26 NASB95
And He said to them, "What things?" And they said to Him, "The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, [21] But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened. [25] And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! [26] Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?"

.. besides, the Holy Spirit hadn't been poured out yet. (see Acts 2).

 

[Bob Carabbio]

And there is no faith without the rebirth.

FALSE. Abram had FAITH, but wasn't "Born again".