RC Sproul on the Doctrine of God

[Eternally-Grateful]

That's far from all I said. It is silly to just say, "I disagree", without explaining why or in what way one disagrees.

I think we have been through this.

If you disagree. say I disagree. Here is why

Instead what I got was I do this, I do that. I have strawman. I this that and everything else.

That's not discussion. That's you putting your hand in my face and telling me I am wrong. Other people have continue to do this. And I have at least 2 on ignore now.. The third well he is close.

makesends said:
You continue, in the usual self-deterministic manner, to center your theology on man, and not on God

My theology comes from the same place that that assessment does.

so your theology comes from man and not God. or mine is? Read this back. it appears your saying your is

The Bible is entirely God-centered. As in, "...for from him and through him and to him are all things." But your notion that God is here to 'serve man and love him', whatever that means, is not what Scripture says.

Yet we see proof all over scripture of God doing just that, Then demand we do it to serve and love each other. as he served and loved us.

So what theology are you coming from? It can't be from God in my view/.

We are here for him, and not for ourselves.

Amen I never said otherwise.

He is not here for us, but for his own glory.

And his glory IS US.

That he gives us what we need is only part of his plan that includes us, and it is so wildly beyond us, that we are lifted up by the mere consideration, rather than to be satisfied by what we get now as though that was the end of consideration on the matter.

This makes no sense.

That's far from all I was saying. It is silly to just say, "I disagree", without explaining why or in what way one disagrees.

When you do not say you disagree, or this is how I see it. It is not you and I discussing, it is you telling me what is truth. and in effect. if I do not agree with you, I do not agree with God.

I have tried to explain this multiple times over multiple threads to multiple people.

People always ask, why are Calvin-Arminian arguments the nastiest argument between believers.

Its because they do not discuss with either other. it is because they tell each other they way it is accuse, badger and do whatever. all while claiming to be like God.

For the most part I have seen it in this chatroom. When I see it start to digress. I try to bring attention to it.. Just like I hope people get that to me if I digress into that type of attack

What has that to do with proving your point? That he gives us all we need does not mean that this is about US.

DID I EVER SAY IT IS ABOUT US?

I never did, This is about God not us..

come on people. stop putting words in my mouth.

Verse, please. I'll happily deal with each instance. Please don't 'proof text' out of context.

we can start in lev 26;

Lev 26 ‘You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it for I am the Lord your God. 2 You shall keep My Sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary I am the Lord. 3 ‘If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them
,4 then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.5 Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.6 I will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none will make you afraid I will rid the land of evil beasts, and the sword will not go through your land.7 You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you.8 Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight your enemies shall fall by the sword before you.9 ‘For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you.10 You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new.11 I will set My tabernacle among you, and My soul shall not abhor you.12 I will walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people.13 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that you should not be their slaves I have broken the bands of your yoke and made you walk upright.



After this God have them what would happen if they disobeyed him.

I don't know how you can read the Word and not see that this is all about God, unless by a human-centered worldview.

I do not know how you can read my words and continue to accuse of something that is not true.

Its not about me its about God.

The problem with Syllogism as you all have showed me, is it ads faith as a means of earning salvation.

Time and time and time again, God said, Believe in me, Have faith, Hear and believe, Not of works.

Yet everyone here seems to base this faith that God commands as to come from self or being self centered. (at least when it is directed to me)

I can not fathom why you would even think this. But yet I keep getting accused in my view. based on this one point.