Questions from Christians Regarding Evolution

[John Bauer]

I would like to hear this explanation from a theistic evolutionist. Or any Christian who claims to be an evolutionist also.

So where does a literal Adam come in, or the fall of man?

I answered that when you first asked (about an hour ago): “Adam (and the Fall) is far more recent, approximately 6,000 years ago.”

P.S. (for @Carbon): I am not an evolutionist, theistic or otherwise. I am a creationist, specifically an evolutionary creationist—or, if you like, an old-earth creationist who accepts evolution.

 

[QVQ]

To avoid Evolution as the Grand Theory of Everything I confine evolution to organisms and the changes over time self same are subject thereto.
Everything is in motion and patterns are shifting and rearranging in nature. It is according to the laws of physics. Changes in rocks and planetary orbits are not evolution.

The basic premise of Darwinist Evolution, which is confined to organisms, is that the organisms adapt to the shifting and rearranging patterns through the mechanisms of mutation and natural selection.
The actual study of these premises are genetics and archeology.

Archeology is circumstantial.The stories told or invented to connect this bone to that bone are speculative, could have wildly differing interpretations with a paucity of evidence wherein missing links outnumber fossils by a magnitude greater than known numbers.
Example: A plane is found. Around the plane are pig bones. The news reports : new scientific find proves pigs can fly.
Under the scepticism and scrutiny of the Intelligent Design and other scientist there is more caution in scientific circles regarding fossils and stories derived from such.

Genetics: This is the foundation science of evolution as genetics is mutation and whether the mutant can or will be selected.
So far, manipulation by man of genetic material (domestic) has proven to be a failure as all manipulations are unstable.
Mutants are deselected by several means and evolution has not and possibly cannot occur

 

[Carbon]

I answered that when you first asked (about an hour ago): “Adam (and the Fall) is far more recent, approximately 6,000 years ago.”

P.S. (for @Carbon): I am not an evolutionist, theistic or otherwise. I am a creationist, specifically an evolutionary creationist—or, if you like, an old-earth creationist who accepts evolution.

Then that would mean Adam and Eve were not the first humans?

 

[seer]

I answered that when you first asked (about an hour ago): “Adam (and the Fall) is far more recent, approximately 6,000 years ago.”

How did all men die in Adam if there were millions of other men living at the time and living before Adam?

 

[John Bauer]

Then that would mean Adam and Eve were not the first humans?

That is what follows, yes.

 

[John Bauer]

It is Christmas Eve and we have family coming over shortly. I will not be able to respond more fully until tomorrow morning. (I usually wake up around 3:30 in the morning, Pacific time.)

Until then …

How did all men die in Adam if there were millions of other men living at the time and living before Adam?

What do you mean by “die” here? Are you talking about biological death? If so, please demonstrate that Scripture defines life and death in terms of anthropocentric biology, and that Paul was speaking about death in those terms in Romans 5.

 

[QVQ]

Merry Christmas!

 

[Carbon]

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas!

 

[seer]

It is Christmas Eve and we have family coming over shortly. I will not be able to respond more fully until tomorrow morning. (I usually wake up around 3:30 in the morning, Pacific time.)

Until then …



What do you mean by “die” here? Are you talking about biological death? If so, please demonstrate that Scripture defines life and death in terms of anthropocentric biology, and that Paul was speaking about death in those terms in Romans 5.

It doesn't matter, whether spiritual or biological - all men, especially the millions who lived before Adam, did not share in that death. Nor would the millions who lived in the time of Adam.

"The covenant being made with Adam, not only for himself, but for his posterity; all mankind, descending from him by ordinary generation, sinned in him, and fell with him, in his first transgression."

So the Westminster Catechism is wrong?