Question on John 19:30

[Carbon]

Why do Catholic priests continue to offer Jesus as a sacrificial victim when he said: “it is finished.”​

John 19:30

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[Alive]

Why do Catholic priests continue to offer Jesus as a sacrificial victim when he said: “it is finished.”​

John 19:30

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As I recall having been raised in the RCC and been an alter boy and confirmed and much later studying it; the idea was transubstantiation and only the priests were able to serve up the wafer (bread), thus shackling the poor members to the RCC hierarchy.
One of many things within the system that so aimed to control, manipulate and bind up the folks.

 

[Eleanor]

At the Last Supper he said, "Do this. . ."

"in remembrance of me."

But it's a memorial of the event, not the event itself.

 

[Alive]

At the Last Supper he said, "Do this. . ."

"in remembrance of me."

Amen--that was the point. Remembering Him until He comes. And of course the bread is not literally His body, nor the wine His blood, but representations.

 

[atpollard]

Why do Catholic priests continue to offer Jesus as a sacrificial victim when he said: “it is finished.”​

John 19:30

While the RCC makes it FAR too easy to pick on them (they almost invite it), we should at least endeavor to offer the BEST of their position rather than the worst.

The RCC believes in a mystical union between the ONE TIME event performed by God Incarnate (the finished work of Christ on the Cross, not the last supper) and the ETERNAL CEREMONY that supernaturally joins us (the Church, believers, His Children) to that event. This ETERNAL CEREMONY began at the Last Supper (initiated by Christ Himself) and was ordained to continue throughout the Church Age (for as long as there will be a Church and an Earth). The link between the bread/wine/ceremony and the body/blood/crucifixion-resurrection is both SPIRITUAL and REAL (not physical, but metaphysical … transcending time and space). Thus the Catholic priest is not offering Jesus again, but inviting the church assembled before him to again step through the door created by Christ Himself and be united with that ONE AND ONLY offering that has the REAL power to save.

Not a “symbolic” power to save.
Not a “memorial” power to save.
Not even a merely “spiritual” power to save.
An actual, real, flesh and blood of God … TRANSUBSTANTIATION … power to save.

[Of course, what they believe is not true - because the Word of God does not affirm it as TRUTH - but it is a folly born of their merging of the Word and Tradition as co-equal. I hope I have done their position justice.]

 

[Arch Stanton]

Why do Catholic priests continue to offer Jesus as a sacrificial victim when he said: “it is finished.”​

John 19:30

Why do you assume your understanding of 'It is finished' means what you think?

 

[Arch Stanton]

As I recall having been raised in the RCC and been an alter boy and confirmed and much later studying it;

and your personal interpretations are truer than the ECF's?

 

[Arch Stanton]

At the Last Supper he said, "Do this. . ."

"in remembrance of me."

But it's a memorial of the event, not the event itself.

Christ commanded anamnesis, not mnemosunon.

 

[Mr GLee]

and your personal interpretations are truer than the ECF's?

ECF's law of dying mankind 3500 and rising. EFC's called patron saints.

Truer than the word of God sola scriptura (all things written in the law and prophets).?

Why call sola scriptura heresy ? .What is the hope in the end of the matter . Limbo for the younger sinners and purgatory for the mature sinners?

Acts 24:13-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophetsSola scriptura)

 

[Mr GLee]

Why do Catholic priests continue to offer Jesus as a sacrificial victim when he said: “it is finished.”​

John 19:30

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Wondering sufferings, wondering, wondering in Limbo or Purgatory has no end .Never finished

They teach that an entity called Mary named after or sister in the lord is the Queen mother of heaven. She alone received the fulness of grace the full price of salvation .The rest of the planet keep on wondering sufferings.

Remember not all heresies "personal opinions" are damnable heresies.

Therefore Limbo/ purgatory do despite to the fullness of grace

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Why call sola scriptura heresy ?

leads people away from truth

 

[Mr GLee]

leads people away from truth

From whose Devine truth the Catholic book of law of dying mankind. The Devine patrons saints his and hers gods (3500 and rising? )

"Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." [Dei Verbum, 9]. Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".(Mt 28,20 )" (CCC § 80).

 

[Carbon]

Why do you assume your understanding of 'It is finished' means what you think?

But I do understand. Don’t you?

 

[Arch Stanton]

But I do understand. Don’t you?

You would have to show your understanding of 'It' is the only understanding.

 

[Carbon]

You would have to show your understanding of 'It' is the only understanding.

Haha. So if there are say, 5 different understanding, you can just pick one, anyone?

 

[Arch Stanton]

Haha. So if there are say, 5 different understanding, you can just pick one, anyone?

Apparently, that is what you are doing with post 1.

 

[Carbon]

Apparently, that is what you are doing with post 1.

Okay then you should have no issue agreeing with me against those Catholic priests who claim it’s literally Christ’s body being sacrificed again. And you agree with me Transubstsntiation is not biblical.

Thanks Arch

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[Arch Stanton]

Okay then you should have no issue agreeing with me against those Catholic priests who claim it’s literally Christ’s body being sacrificed again. And you agree with me Transubstsntiation is not biblical.

Thanks Arch

Slow down Carbon... I agree that it is a one time sacrifice. You stated 'It is finished' though.

 

[Carbon]

Slow down Carbon... I agree that it is a one time sacrifice.

I’m glad to hear that.

You stated 'It is finished' though.

No. Jesus said it.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I’m glad to hear that.

CCC 1330 The memorial of the Lord's Passion and Resurrection.

The Holy Sacrifice, because it makes present the one sacrifice of Christ the Savior and includes the Church's offering. The terms holy sacrifice of the Mass, "sacrifice of praise," spiritual sacrifice, pure and holy sacrifice are also used,150 since it completes and surpasses all the sacrifices of the Old Covenant.

No. Jesus said it.

But of course... the problem is the word 'It'.