Parable of the growing seed

[Agra Man]

In the prophets, the restoration, the outpouring and the outreach to the nations are all together. That's what Peter was showing by quoting Joel 2 in Acts 2. I do not know a NT passage that details a restored race-nation; I know many that say the living temple now is 'one people together in Christ.'

Well consider how he has been with his people all throughout the bible, he never gave up on them and would constantly promise them things and bible prophecy like history tends to repeat itself.

When Israel returned to it's land in 1948 this was one of the most massive prophecies fulfilled in history aside from Jesus
But this is bigger than jews and gentiles Israel and the church it is about the kingdom his kingdom grafts all together he was the original parent and loves his children no matter what race or ethic groups the bloodlines were dispersed all the way back in the old testament but the bloodline of Christ is the one that is going to bring all people of every race and generation to his throne in unity.

Israel is the prodigal son.

 

[Agra Man]

If you're referring to prophecy, that was fulfilled in the return from exile (Ezra, Nehemiah), when the walls were rebuilt, the temple was
rebuilt, and there was great rejoicing heard afar as the people rededicated themselves to God.

There is is no other restoration presented in Scripture.

Yes but prophecy has a tendancy to repeat itself there are hints and clues that show this. The third temple has yet to be rebuilt and some could argue the body of Christ is the third temple but it doesn't say that.

In the war that is coming when the kings of the east cross the river Israel will be at war with it's adversaries but they won't be able to touch them. This is all in the scriptures, if God would go so far as to protect them from certain destruction how cvould we say he has cut them off?

 

[Eleanor]

Yes but prophecy has a tendancy to repeat itself there are hints and clues that show this. The third temple has yet to be rebuilt and some could argue the body of Christ is the third temple but it doesn't say that.

In the war that is coming when the kings of the east cross the river Israel will be at war with it's adversaries but they won't be able to touch them. This is all in the scriptures, if God would go so far as to protect them from certain destruction how cvould we say he has cut them off?

Your literal interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8) is taking you outside the truth of God in Jesus Christ as revealed to us through his apostles in their NT teaching.

 

[EarlyActs]

Yes but prophecy has a tendancy to repeat itself there are hints and clues that show this. The third temple has yet to be rebuilt and some could argue the body of Christ is the third temple but it doesn't say that.

In the war that is coming when the kings of the east cross the river Israel will be at war with it's adversaries but they won't be able to touch them. This is all in the scriptures, if God would go so far as to protect them from certain destruction how cvould we say he has cut them off?

There was an event in the 1st cent. 60s that these lines refer to.

If you know Hebrews the letter, you might be inclined against another role for Judaic practice.

The events of the last day are very swift, but the day itself has been delayed from being 'right after' the destruction of Jerusalem.

 

[Eleanor]

Retroactive means the NT was saying there was only one program all along, as far back as Abraham, and before.

Two people--two programs is Dispensationalism. It said in the late 1800s that 'the Bible does not make sense unless you have our system.' You can find 2P2P asserted by Scofield, Ryrie, Walvoord, Darby, Needham, Pentecost. I do not find it in the Bible, and find that the lines in support are very often used in isolation and are few in number.

2P2P truly does make 2 of everything. I have quotes from pastors saying that Dan 9's atonement cannot possibly be Jesus Christ, which breaks the whole letter of Hebrews, doesn't it? It means there has to be a 2nd atonement for sins at some future time.

We are 150% in agreement.
They multiply what is the same and put asunder what God has joined, starting with the body of Christ!

So they're up to two atonements now. Just a matter of time before they're up to two Christ's.

 

[Agra Man]

There was an event in the 1st cent. 60s that these lines refer to.

If you know Hebrews the letter, you might be inclined against another role for Judaic practice.

The events of the last day are very swift, but the day itself has been delayed from being 'right after' the destruction of Jerusalem.

Just out of curiosity what is your take on the 70th week of Daniel?

 

[Eleanor]

Hmmm, the event of Pentecost was 'these times of refreshing' and had the 3 components: restored hearts, the outpouring, and the outreach to the nations. Not all of Israel, which never happens, but a big chunk.

Correct. . .I'm referring to restoration of Israel.

 

[Eleanor]

Well consider how he has been with his people all throughout the bible, he never gave up on them and would constantly promise them things and bible prophecy like history tends to repeat itself.

When Israel returned to it's land in 1948 this was one of the most massive prophecies fulfilled in history aside from Jesus
But this is bigger than jews and gentiles Israel and the church it is about the kingdom his kingdom grafts all together he was the original parent and loves his children no matter what race or ethic groups the bloodlines were dispersed all the way back in the old testament but the bloodline of Christ is the one that is going to bring all people of every race and generation to his throne in unity.

Israel is the prodigal son.

Any port in a storm.

Israel is not the prodigal son.
The prodigal son was not cut off by the father, whereas Israel was cut off by the Father.

 

[EarlyActs]

Well consider how he has been with his people all throughout the bible, he never gave up on them and would constantly promise them things and bible prophecy like history tends to repeat itself.

When Israel returned to it's land in 1948 this was one of the most massive prophecies fulfilled in history aside from Jesus
But this is bigger than jews and gentiles Israel and the church it is about the kingdom his kingdom grafts all together he was the original parent and loves his children no matter what race or ethic groups the bloodlines were dispersed all the way back in the old testament but the bloodline of Christ is the one that is going to bring all people of every race and generation to his throne in unity.

Israel is the prodigal son.

Actually in Acts 3 there is the most terminal word ever used about Israel if they rejected the new Moses. Add to that that Ps 2 says that anyone who does not honor the Son will be smashed.

The expression about 'being born again' to a leader of Judaism, is actually a huge refutation of the bloodline. His birth did not matter! Of course, Rom 1 does say that Christ was David's son, so that part was kept.

 

[Eleanor]

Actually in Acts 3 there is the most terminal word ever used about Israel if they rejected the new Moses. Add to that that Ps 2 says that anyone who does not honor the Son will be smashed.

The expression about 'being born again' to a leader of Judaism, is actually a huge refutation of the bloodline. His birth did not matter! Of course, Rom 1 does say that Christ was David's son, so that part was kept.

NIcodemus' response indicates that he did not understand Jesus to be saying he could be born of another mother.

 

[EarlyActs]

It

NIcodemus' response indicates that he did not understand Jesus to be saying he could be born of another mother.

Yes, and it makes him not sound very bright to suggest that. 'Anothen' has to do with a higher platform, and 'from the top of their history' is a good render. Jesus was trying to get him away from lineage, back to what their history had always said --how Abraham saw Christ and rejoiced in justification from sins. The justification part is v17+.

 

[Agra Man]

Actually in Acts 3 there is the most terminal word ever used about Israel if they rejected the new Moses. Add to that that Ps 2 says that anyone who does not honor the Son will be smashed.

The expression about 'being born again' to a leader of Judaism, is actually a huge refutation of the bloodline. His birth did not matter! Of course, Rom 1 does say that Christ was David's son, so that part was kept.

Yes and they are still waiting for their messiah and believe he will come from Davids blood line

 

[Eleanor]

Yes, and it makes him not sound very bright to suggest that.

Bright, or ignorant? Let Jesus answer the question in the following.

'Anothen' has to do with a higher platform, and 'from the top of their history' is a good render. Jesus was trying to get him away from lineage, back to

Or was it what it simply is, re-birth into eternal life by God's Holy Spirit, who is from above?

what their history had always said --how Abraham saw Christ

Abraham seeing Christ in Isaac when asked to sacrifice him and given understanding of what was prefigured there (Jn 8:56),

and rejoiced in justification from sins.

Abraham saw Christ in the promise of Isaac as he saw heaven in the promise of Canaan (Heb 11:13-16).
Nicodemus not seeing the sovereignty of the Holy Spirit's new birth, as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:5-8),
Nicodemus not understanding (Jn 3:10) "born of water and the Spirit" (Jn 3:5) in Eze 36:25-27, 37:1-14, 18:31,

The justification part is v17+.

Jesus speaking of heavenly things (Jn 3:12):
incarnation of the Son of God--no one can earn his way to heaven except Jesus who has come down from heaven to save us
and is the only way to heaven,
atonement (Jn 3:14-15),
evil deeds come from evil hearts (Mt 15:18-20), they do not come to the light because their hearts are evil (Jn 3:19).