Open Theism

[ElectedbyHim]

Never been there, though I've heard about it from several directions.

Worth lurking?

Check it out.

I like monergism.com the best. But then again there are a ton of resources online.

Gotquestions.org is a good source for a quick fix and they lean towards Reformed.

Its been a while and I believe Matt Slick is a non-cessationist if memory serves correctly.

A lot of truth on his thread.

 

[makesends]

Binyawmene said:
Your god can't. Because your god isn't omniscient.

I'm done with people that try to claim that YHWH is not my God that I trust in.
I'll waste no more time with you.

Tambora, I think @Binyawmene would agree that even his conception of what 'God' is, nevermind his articulation of it, falls short. I think what he is trying to get across is that what you claim concerning God logically implies that God is not, after all, omniscient, and that as such, that is not God, but merely a superhuman being, "god", with a lower case 'g'.

If you are "In Christ", you do believe in the real, the true God. And that, he has not denied. He only disagrees with your articulations, and, like me, with the mindset that produces those articulations.

 

[makesends]

Check it out.

I like monergism.com the best. But then again there are a ton of resources online.

Gotquestions.org is a good source for a quick fix and they lean towards Reformed.

Its been a while and I believe Matt Slick is a non-cessationist if memory serves correctly.

A lot of truth on his thread.

Oh. I thought it was a debate forum site, like CF and CCAM

 

[ElectedbyHim]

I don't see this as entirely correct.
God can know the future in that He can state that a thing will happen in the future and make it happen.
In other words, since God is the most knowledgeable, no matter how man reacts God can still figure out a way to cause it to happen.

I've heard it put this way, comparing it to a chess game:
Which is more confident of his power to win the game:

1. One that can say I will win because I already know every single move you will make in advance.​

2. One that can say it doesn't matter where you move, I will figure out a way to win anyway even without knowing your moves in advance.​

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To me, #2 is more awesome than #1.

In other words, since God is the most knowledgeable, no matter how man reacts God can still figure out a way to cause it to happen.

Can you share a Scripture on this statement?

Your statement does not sound like God is sovereign over man.

It is almost like God has to do the bidding of man and his free will.

 

[makesends]

I don't see this as entirely correct.
God can know the future in that He can state that a thing will happen in the future and make it happen.
In other words, since God is the most knowledgeable, no matter how man reacts God can still figure out a way to cause it to happen.

I've heard it put this way, comparing it to a chess game:
Which is more confident of his power to win the game:
1. One that can say I will win because I already know every single move you will make in advance.
2. One that can say it doesn't matter where you move, I will figure out a way to win anyway even without knowing your moves in advance.

To me, #2 is more awesome than #1.

In other words, since God is the most knowledgeable, no matter how man reacts God can still figure out a way to cause it to happen.

There's your problem --God is not "the most knowledgeable" concerning fact, but, rather, the very establisher of fact. There is no fact, but what he caused and maintains. It is by him that anything is fact, truth, exists.

He need not consider this as opposed to that. He is the reason for all of it. And there is none of it that is what it is, on its own. He doesn't 'look to see'. That kind of thing is anthropomorphic in our necessary expression of it.

He doesn't need to "figure out a way" to do anything. It is [already] so by his doing it.

Can you share a Scripture on this statement?

Your statement does not sound like God is sovereign over man.

It is almost like God has to do the bidding of man and his free will.

Sure does come down to that, in the final analysis.

But God is not like us, and the notion that God is only very smart and powerful, places him as only another 'resident within the omni', instead of the very creator of the omni.

 

[Binyawmene]

Is he still around CARM?

I forgot about his website.

Thanks for the reminder.

I used to be very active in CARM, but nowadays I only post once in a while.
I know he is still writing articles, and I try to keep myself inform on variety of his writings.

I'm done with people that try to claim that YHWH is not my God that I trust in.
I'll waste no more time with you.

Sure. I feel the same way about heretics. Anyone who doesn't believe God knows the future and the future is uncertain. Then you flat-out deny who the Omniscient God of the Bible is essentially. No pun intended, no joke.

 

[Tambora]

Binyawmene said:
Your god can't. Because your god isn't omniscient.

Tambora, I think @Binyawmene would agree that even his conception of what 'God' is, nevermind his articulation of it, falls short. I think what he is trying to get across is that what you claim concerning God logically implies that God is not, after all, omniscient, and that as such, that is not God, but merely a superhuman being, "god", with a lower case 'g'.

If you are "In Christ", you do believe in the real, the true God. And that, he has not denied. He only disagrees with your articulations, and, like me, with the mindset that produces those articulations.

Nah, I knew he meant what he said about YHWH not being my God because I've dealt with folks like him before.
You can side with him if you want.

No one has to believe that God knows the entire future in advance to recognize that He can accomplish anything He wants.
Time is a measurement, like inches.
God didn't have to create inches before He could move an inch, and He didn't have to create time because He is eternal (has always been and always will be).

 

[makesends]

Nah, I knew he meant what he said about YHWH not being my God because I've dealt with folks like him before.
You can side with him if you want.

No one has to believe that God knows the entire future in advance to recognize that He can accomplish anything He wants.
Time is a measurement, like inches.
God didn't have to create inches before He could move an inch, and He didn't have to create time because He is eternal (has always been and always will be).

You still don't get it.

God doesn't need to work within fact, to make fact. It's not a question of what he can or can't do, or what he has to do or doesn't have to do. He simply does, and so everything that is, is, as a result. You keep making him accommodate himself to what you apparently suppose is base fact. But there is no base fact but God. Everything else results FROM God.

Reality itself, is God's 'invention'.