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Pre-tribbers would also tell you that Christians are not appointed to wrath therefore God will remove them from earth beforehand.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
BUT! Take a look at what it is that averts that wrath...SALVATION! NOT A RAPTURE!
God's wrath is averted by Christ through repentance! But that doesn't seem to matter to people who've accepted the teaching, "line, hook, and sinker!"
Pre-tribbers say that Revelation 3:10 is the strongest scriptural support for the pre-trib rapture.
Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept my command to persevere , I shall also keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole earth, to test those who dwell on earth.
The context of the passage has nothing to do with a rapture. The word KEEP doesn't imply a removal from but to be protected through. The word KEEP implies to take care of not remove from. The promise is not to remove or keep believers out of the trial, but to preserve and protect them through the hour of trial. There are other examples where God's people are protected through trial and judgment.\par
Strong's say's....
to attend to carefully, take care of
to guard
metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
to observe
to reserve: to undergo something
Vines says...
"to keep, to guard," is translated "to be kept in charge," in Act 24:23; 25:4, RV (AV, "kept").
See HOLD, KEEP, OBSERVE, PRESERVE, WATCH.
There are several example in the bible where God didn't remove people from their troubles but help them through them.
Did God remove Noah and his family from the flood or did He saved them through it?
Did God remove Daniel from the Lion's den or did He save him through it?
Did God remove the three Hebrews from the fiery furnace of did He save them through it?
Did God remove Job from his trials or did God help him through them?
1 Thess. 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
The verse says we not appointed to wrath and its exemption is attributed to salvation. Not a rapture. That's blatantly taking a verse out of context. The word wrath is... "The wrath that is what is averted by Christ through repentance." Any one truly in Christ will not doesn't receive the wrath of judgement". Those "whose names are not written in the book of life" aren't exempt from His wrath.
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. I am coming soon. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth.
Look at the word "keep" in your Strong's. Look at "hour" and look at "trial". And, the verse clearly states that those who live on the earth will be tested and kept from the hour of trial... but not removed!
Luke 21:34-36 "Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."
The word escape means "to flee out"...To "flee" is an action the person does to escape. It does not mean to "be removed" by other means. We are told to "watch and pray"...that we are able to escape, and able to stand before the Son of Man. We only stand before the Son of Man at the end of the tribulation period. Those people within the coming ten nation Islamic empire and under the persecution and rule of the anti-Christ will need to escape the kingdom of the anti-Christ or risk death if they do not convert to Islam, and if they convert... they are not able to stand before the Son of Man.
In verse 35 we are told, "For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth".
Not just the wicked!
In my years of trying to understand the bible I have learned that the simplest most logical interpretation is usually the correct one.
"Any doctrine like pre-tribulation-ism that has several contradictions, and fabrications to counter those contradictions and complications, is always untrue. The rapture is a timely and strategic act of kindness whereby a loving God removes His own before He does battle. It's to avoid "friendly fire." It's not a sloppy transition of believers that results into something like a terror attack. They've made God look imprecise, indiscriminate, and sloppy. The gathering is simple and pristine. It doesn't disgrace God in any way. Pre-tribulation-ism takes scripture far out of context. It's the most misleading, deceitful, and widely held false prophecy of the church age. Why would anybody want to convert to Christianity when the church teaches innocent people will be killed and the world would be launched into great chaos, "just to take people to heaven?"
In the following passage we are told to suffer tribulation up to the time when Christ shall come to be glorified in His saints. This passage alone thoroughly debunks pre-tribulationism.
That no man should be moved by these afflictions; for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto. For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Where does the rapture happen?
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
BUT! Take a look at what it is that averts that wrath...SALVATION! NOT A RAPTURE!
God's wrath is averted by Christ through repentance! But that doesn't seem to matter to people who've accepted the teaching, "line, hook, and sinker!"
Pre-tribbers say that Revelation 3:10 is the strongest scriptural support for the pre-trib rapture.
Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept my command to persevere , I shall also keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole earth, to test those who dwell on earth.
The context of the passage has nothing to do with a rapture. The word KEEP doesn't imply a removal from but to be protected through. The word KEEP implies to take care of not remove from. The promise is not to remove or keep believers out of the trial, but to preserve and protect them through the hour of trial. There are other examples where God's people are protected through trial and judgment.\par
Strong's say's....
to attend to carefully, take care of
to guard
metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
to observe
to reserve: to undergo something
Vines says...
"to keep, to guard," is translated "to be kept in charge," in Act 24:23; 25:4, RV (AV, "kept").
See HOLD, KEEP, OBSERVE, PRESERVE, WATCH.
There are several example in the bible where God didn't remove people from their troubles but help them through them.
Did God remove Noah and his family from the flood or did He saved them through it?
Did God remove Daniel from the Lion's den or did He save him through it?
Did God remove the three Hebrews from the fiery furnace of did He save them through it?
Did God remove Job from his trials or did God help him through them?
1 Thess. 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
The verse says we not appointed to wrath and its exemption is attributed to salvation. Not a rapture. That's blatantly taking a verse out of context. The word wrath is... "The wrath that is what is averted by Christ through repentance." Any one truly in Christ will not doesn't receive the wrath of judgement". Those "whose names are not written in the book of life" aren't exempt from His wrath.
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. I am coming soon. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth.
Look at the word "keep" in your Strong's. Look at "hour" and look at "trial". And, the verse clearly states that those who live on the earth will be tested and kept from the hour of trial... but not removed!
Luke 21:34-36 "Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."
The word escape means "to flee out"...To "flee" is an action the person does to escape. It does not mean to "be removed" by other means. We are told to "watch and pray"...that we are able to escape, and able to stand before the Son of Man. We only stand before the Son of Man at the end of the tribulation period. Those people within the coming ten nation Islamic empire and under the persecution and rule of the anti-Christ will need to escape the kingdom of the anti-Christ or risk death if they do not convert to Islam, and if they convert... they are not able to stand before the Son of Man.
In verse 35 we are told, "For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth".
Not just the wicked!
In my years of trying to understand the bible I have learned that the simplest most logical interpretation is usually the correct one.
"Any doctrine like pre-tribulation-ism that has several contradictions, and fabrications to counter those contradictions and complications, is always untrue. The rapture is a timely and strategic act of kindness whereby a loving God removes His own before He does battle. It's to avoid "friendly fire." It's not a sloppy transition of believers that results into something like a terror attack. They've made God look imprecise, indiscriminate, and sloppy. The gathering is simple and pristine. It doesn't disgrace God in any way. Pre-tribulation-ism takes scripture far out of context. It's the most misleading, deceitful, and widely held false prophecy of the church age. Why would anybody want to convert to Christianity when the church teaches innocent people will be killed and the world would be launched into great chaos, "just to take people to heaven?"
In the following passage we are told to suffer tribulation up to the time when Christ shall come to be glorified in His saints. This passage alone thoroughly debunks pre-tribulationism.
That no man should be moved by these afflictions; for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto. For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Where does the rapture happen?
