Mystery of the most holy trinity!

[grace2]

@donadams

Your "Jesus is God" faith believers are the vast majority.

And you are only one of them.

You are following the vast majority that leads to destruction.

If you respect Jesus' word, you will reconsider your actions.

Jesus says if you love Me, keep My commandment.

You have been dismissing too many of Jesus' warnings.

You are not the only one. The vast majority is doing the same thing.

 

[donadams]

You believe His Father is God and Jesus is God.

Yet you deny two Gods make two Gods?

Yes or no.

Yes

Yes

 

[donadams]

Number of believers is not a road

 

[grace2]

Number of believers is not a road

So you don't think Jesus is a good teacher?

yes or no

 

[Mr GLee]

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

LOL

Things of eternal God our invisible head Christ or that of dying Peter ?


Mathew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

 

[donadams]

The nature of God is a mystery not a mathematical equation

The father is God
The son is God
The spirit is God

There are not three Gods but one God

Same with the Lord
one Lord Deut 6:4-5 eph 4:5
And the Lord in eph is Jesus

D 3. God’s Nature is incomprehensible to men.

D 12. There is only One God.

D 34. In God there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Each of the Three
Persons possesses the one (numerical) Divine Essence.

D 35. In God there are two Internal Divine Processions.

D 36. The Divine Persons, not the Divine Nature, are the subject of the Internal Divine processions (in the active and in the passive sense).

D 37. The Second Divine Person proceeds from the First Divine Person by Generation, and therefore is related to Him as Son to a Father.

D 38. The Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and from the Son as from a Single Principle through a Single Spiration.

D 39. The Holy Ghost does not proceed through generation but through spiration.

D 40. The Relations in God are really identical with the Divine Nature.

D 41. The Three Divine Persons are in One Another.

Thks

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes!

God our savior the Christ or the Son of man Jesus our brother in the lord?

Which Jesus? Two working as if one ?.The Son yoked with the Father the invisible head ?

Jesus our brother in the word replied call no man on eat a legion of Holy Fathers, Holy See ,Prince of the apostles, Vicar of Christ (etc)

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35F or whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Looks like you have the wrong kind of family tree

 

[donadams]

So you don't think Jesus is a good teacher?

yes or no

Yes
But the road is what we believe not how many believe it

 

[donadams]

Are you going to reply to 806?

 

[grace2]

Yes
But the road is what we believe not how many believe it

Yes, but?

Jesus says He is the Teacher. And you don't approve of His word?

 

[grace2]

The nature of God is a mystery not a mathematical equation

The father is God
The son is God
The spirit is God

There are not three Gods but one God

Same with the Lord
one Lord Deut 6:4-5 eph 4:5
And the Lord in eph is Jesus

D 3. God’s Nature is incomprehensible to men.

D 12. There is only One God.

D 34. In God there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Each of the Three
Persons possesses the one (numerical) Divine Essence.

D 35. In God there are two Internal Divine Processions.

D 36. The Divine Persons, not the Divine Nature, are the subject of the Internal Divine processions (in the active and in the passive sense).

D 37. The Second Divine Person proceeds from the First Divine Person by Generation, and therefore is related to Him as Son to a Father.

D 38. The Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and from the Son as from a Single Principle through a Single Spiration.

D 39. The Holy Ghost does not proceed through generation but through spiration.

D 40. The Relations in God are really identical with the Divine Nature.

D 41. The Three Divine Persons are in One Another.

Thks

Your reading does not harmonize anything with Jesus' word.

In conclusion, all your reasoning of Trinity or triune god or Jesus is god is backed by nothing but your organizational teachings.

My accusations against all your doctrines are all backed by Jesus' word.

So your teachings are anti-Christ teaching, not true Christianity.

therefore, the Trinitarian god is a false god.

 

[grace2]

There is nothing mysterious about your false god doctrines.

It is simply a false god.

 

[grace2]

@donadams

Not any triune god followers' justification is backed by Jesus' word.

You guys have been pushing your tyrannical teaching since the beginning of your history without any evidence of Jesus' teaching.

Your organizations will exist until Jesus starts to reign.

But you don't have be share the guilt of your organization's anti-Christ teaching.

I pray anyone who is reading this thread comes out of it for your own sake.

blessings.

 

[donadams]

Council of Florence, AD 1338-1445, can help us in this regard.

The Council’s definitions concerning the Trinity are really as easy as one, two, three… four. It taught there is one nature in God, and that there are two processions, three persons, and four relations that constitute the Blessed Trinity. The Son “proceeds” from the Father, and the Holy Spirit “proceeds from the Father and the Son.” These are the two processions in God. And these are foundational to the four relations that constitute the three persons in God. These are those four eternal relations in God:

1. The Father actively and eternally generates the Son, constituting the person of God, the Father.
2. The Son is passively generated of the Father, which constitutes the person of the Son.
3. The Father and the Son actively spirate the Holy Spirit in the one relation within the inner life of God that does not constitute a person. It does not do so because the Father and Son are already constituted as persons in relation to each other in the first two relations. This is why CCC 240 teaches, “[The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity] is Son only in relation to his Father.”
4. The Holy Spirit is passively spirated of the Father and the Son, constituting the person of the Holy Spirit.

We should take note of the distinction between the “generative” procession that constitutes the Son, and the “spirative” procession that constitutes the Holy Spirit. As St. Thomas Aquinas explains, and Scripture reveals, the Son is uniquely “begotten” of the Father (cf. John 3:16; 1:18). He is also said to proceed from the Father as “the Word” in John 1:1. This “generative” procession is one of “begetting,” but not in the same way a dog “begets” a dog, or a human being “begets” a human being. This is an intellectual “begetting,” and fittingly so, as a “word” proceeds from the knower while, at the same time remaining in the knower. Thus, this procession or begetting of the Son occurs within the inner life of God. There are not “two beings” involved; rather, two persons relationally distinct, while ever-remaining one in being.

The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, but not in a generative sense; rather, in a spiration. “Spiration” comes from the Latin word for “spirit” or “breath.” Jesus “breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit…” (John 20:22). Scripture reveals the Holy Spirit as pertaining to “God’s love [that] has been poured into our hearts” in Romans 5:5, and as flowing out of and identified with the reciprocating love of the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father (John 15:26; Rev. 22:1-2). Thus, the Holy Spirit’s procession is not intellectual and generative, but has its origin in God’s will and in the ultimate act of the will, which is love.

As an infinite act of love between the Father and Son, this “act” is so perfect and infinite that “it” becomes (not in time, of course, but eternally) a “He” in the third person of the Blessed Trinity. This revelation of God’s love personified is the foundation from which Scripture could reveal to us that “God is love” (I John 4:8).

 

[donadams]

Type of relationship

Marrige

Two become one

Man and wife are two distinct and unique persons but one unity

Thks

 

[grace2]

@donadams

You continually push your organizational antichrist teaching.

After all that Jesus debunked your organizational teachings.

I fear for you.

 

[donadams]

@donadams

You continually push your organizational antichrist teaching.

After all that Jesus debunked your organizational teachings.

I fear for you.

Scripture says we must obey and believe Jesus Christ and His church!

We must believe and obey both Christ and the church He founded on the apostles (Matt 16:18-19) to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

(Not scripture alone)
Sacred Scripture according to the churches cannon and interpretation? Yes!
Scripture alone? No!

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things by, by whom also he made the worlds;

“Not by scripture alone”!

That’s the nail in the coffin of “Sola scriptura” it is dead and buried, “false doctrine” the doctrine of demons like all the sola’s!


For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Jn 1:17

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life! Jn 14:6

And this extends to His apostolic church, Christ and His church are one and inseparable! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:5 eph 5:32 acts 2:42

One shepherd and one fold! Jn 10:16

The truth of the Christian faith and the church are of divine origin and cannot be reformed!

Jesus Christ is the Light of the world! Jn 8:12
Apostolic church the light of the world! Matt 5:14

Must Hear Jesus Christ! Matt 17:5
Acts 3:23
Must Hear the apostolic church! Matt 18:17 1 Jn 4:6

Authority of Jesus Christ! Matt 28:17
Authority of the apostles! Jn 20:21

Jesus Christ has Reconciliation!
2 cor 5:19
Apostles have ministry of Reconciliation! 2 cor 5:18

Jesus Christ have power to forgive mens sins! Lk 5:20 Jn
Apostles have power to forgive mens sins! Jn 20:23

Jesus Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The apostolic church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:16

For the apostolic authority in Holy church decided and decreed (bound on earth / bound in heaven) the canon of Scripture, and is the only authentic interpreter of scripture!

The Christian faith is revealed by Christ!

Jesus Christ before ascending to heaven gave His apostles the fullness of truth, the apostolic church our mother and teacher is commanded by Him to teach and to sanctify with her sacraments (the promise of the spirit) all men unto eternal salvation! We are commanded to believe and obey! Matt 28:19

How can the Protestant concept: “sacred scripture is the only infallible source of truth” be true? There must be some infallible source that must tell us what is the canon of scripture & has authority to interpret scripture!

It is impossible to reject the church or her teaching without rejecting Christ who founded the church and revealed her teaching!

You cannot reject the kingdom established by the king and say I obey and submit to the king!

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

Christ and His church are one!
((Inseparable unity))
Acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 eph 5:32 Isa 53:5 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20 Lk 22:29

The 30,000 sects (the tradition of men) having no authority at all! And holding and teaching contrary and new doctrines that oppose the Christian faith that was revealed by Christ and taught by holy mother church! Matt 28:19 acts 16:17


The church was founded and existed and exercised authority in teaching, governance, and sanctifying souls before the New Testament was written!

The church does not require the scriptures to know the truth!

The church wrote the scripture!

The church was taught by Christ in person for three years!

And commanded by Christ to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! Matt 28:19

For 30 plus years before the apostles wrote scripture
By the inspiration of the Holy Ghost they taught and preached and settle matters of doctrine!

Acts 8:12 & 25 & 35
Acts 13:5
1 pet 1:25

 

[donadams]

Are you gonna answer anything?

An oldie but a goodie!

Jesus is God!

1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Acts 1:9 And when he had said these things, in their sight he was lifted up, and a cloud received him from their eyes.

10 And when they beheld him going into heaven, lo! two men stood beside them in white clothing, [And when they beheld into heaven him going, lo! two men stood nigh beside them in white clothes,]

11 [which] and said, Men of Galilee, what stand ye beholding into heaven? This Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall come [so], as ye saw him going into heaven.

 

[donadams]

Or you could say what authority they had in founding the church you hold to? Or it’s authentic to teach what Christ has not revealed and his church has not taught???

Thks

 

[grace2]

Or you could say what authority they had in founding the church you hold to? Or it’s authentic to teach what Christ has not revealed and his church has not taught???

Thks

My justification for defending His Word is according to His Word. Not by any man-made so-called "church".

Christianity is based on what Jesus commands or teaches not on a man-made church.

Jesus' Church is made up of His true followers.

Christ's Church is His body.

His true followers don't abide by a man-made church.