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My statement of Faith using the forum's statement of Faith to show that I basically have the same believer, some with only minor adjustments

EddieM

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Statement of faith:
We strictly hold to such fundamental doctrines as:

(I will try to be overly picky to highlight the differences)


1) Trinity - There is only one God who eternally and coequally exists in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Adam and Eve became one flesh. But not numerically one of course. Jesus prayed that the Church would be ONE, as he and the Father are one. So, I believe that "one GOD" and three Persons is an irrational thought. To alleviate this contradiction/mystery it needs to be changed to "There is only one Godhead and in this Godhead, three separate, distinct Beings."

Let US (Godhead) make man in our (plural) image....



2) Deity of Christ - The Lord Jesus is the only eternally begotten Son of God, who is fully God, fully man, and without sin. He became incarnate, born of the virgin, was crucified, died, and was buried; on the third day, he rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.

"The Lord Jesus is the only eternally begotten Son of God..." This would not be correct if you ask me, this word "begotten" is not found in the Greek Text. The word actually means the only unique Son, eternal and, therefore, not begotten as if a birth took place in eternity past.


3) Sovereignty of God - God created, governs, upholds, and ordains all things for His glory and the good of His people.

God created, governs, upholds, and ordains all things...

I don't see God as ordaining ALL THINGS. God has given mankind free will, where he is able to act in his own right, mankind has limits, but within those limits man has SOME freedom, especially when it comes to salvation.

4) Authority of Scripture - The Bible alone is the authoritative, inerrant, inspired, and infallible written Word of God and sufficient for all matters of faith and life.

The Bible alone is the authoritative, inerrant...infallible...

Change "Bible" to "Autographs" (the original writings of God's messages). There are errors in our English translations, in fact, in any translation.


5) Sinfulness of man - Though made in the image of God, mankind is now fallen, dead in sin, and under God's wrath.

6) Christ is Savior - The only way to be justified before God is by Christ's imputed righteousness which is received by grace alone, through faith alone, on account of Christ alone.

7) Covenant of Grace - Christians are no longer under the condemnation of the Law but walk by the Spirit in faith and are called to lives of holiness and good works out of thanksgiving.

8) The Church - Christ calls His people to discipleship and universal fellowship in His Church, His spiritual body on earth, which is made up of local congregations.

9) Ministry of the Word - The public worship of God on the Lord's day is essential, especially by the preaching of "the Law" and Gospel, and the administration of the sacraments of Baptism and the Lord's Supper.

I think this implies that the (Mosaic) Law is still in effect. The Mosaic Law is no longer in effect, the writer of Hebrews say the Mosaic Law has become obsolete.

10) Sanctity of Marriage - God has made mankind either male or female with marriage as a holy estate between only one man and one woman.

11) Heaven & Hell – Upon death, the wicked go to hell and the righteous in Christ go to heaven.

12) Christ's Return - The Lord Jesus will return at the end of the age to raise the dead, pass final judgment on all, and establish the eternal new heavens and new earth.

pass final judgment on all...

No Judgment of ALL takes place at any of the judgments taught in Scripture. For example, at the Rewards Ceremony (of the Church, incorrectly translated as The Judgment Seat of Christ) not ALL will be judged. Those unbelievers who died in the OT and NT are not raised until the end of the Millennium.
 
So, I believe that "one GOD" and three Persons is an irrational thought. To alleviate this contradiction/mystery it needs to be changed to "There is only one Godhead and in this Godhead, three separate, distinct Beings."

Isn't that Tritheism?
 
Isn't that Tritheism?
Godhead is composed of 3 Beings that are distinct in position and co-equal in every respect (they are a unity). In stead of Tritheism, which has three Gods, not co-equal.
 
Godhead is composed of 3 Beings that are distinct in position and co-equal in every respect (they are a unity). In stead of Tritheism, which has three Gods, not co-equal.

Actually, it is the definition of tritheism: tritheism is a belief that the Godhead is 3 separate beings, they can hold co-equal status and still properly be called tritheism.

I'm sure there's threads you can join, or start up since there might not be any threads on tritheism. Or, if there's someone in particular you might like to discuss with you could check out the debate forum that @ReverendRV invited you to.

You are welcome to discuss. I didn't want to take away from your introduction. Have you been a member here previously?

🤗 you are cared for.
 
Change "Bible" to "Autographs" (the original writings of God's messages). There are errors in our English translations, in fact, in any translation.
Do these "errors" change any truth that is taught in the Bible? Is God not able to stand guard over the Bible as we have it, to be infallible? Is it not true, that if we cannot trust the translations (those put out by cults and heretics excluded), that we cannot trust the Bible to be his word?
Adam and Eve became one flesh. But not numerically one of course. Jesus prayed that the Church would be ONE, as he and the Father are one. So, I believe that "one GOD" and three Persons is an irrational thought. To alleviate this contradiction/mystery it needs to be changed to "There is only one Godhead and in this Godhead, three separate, distinct Beings."
Of course, you can believe whatever you please. But the SOF of the forum does not need to be changed to suit those beliefs. You are presenting a form of tritheism whether you know it or not. You simply don't say it is three God's and you say they are co_equal. But when you say they are distinct as to position, yous make them not only distinct, but separate, even though equal. As it is stated in the SOF, it may be irrational to you, but it is not irrational. And that it seems irrational to you doesn't not mean that it is irrational. You said, "Let US (Godhead) make man in our (plural) image...."
God is not plural in his being, he is one, and neither is man plural in his being. That is not what being made in his image means. It means we are
similar to him in some ways, and exactly like him in no way. It means we are created to bear his righteous image.

They are one in essence----of the same substance----and distinct in persons as shown in the functions of redemption that they serve.
 
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"The Lord Jesus is the only eternally begotten Son of God..." This would not be correct if you ask me, this word "begotten" is not found in the Greek Text. The word actually means the only unique Son, eternal and, therefore, not begotten as if a birth took place in eternity past.
John 3:16 "only begotten"
μονογενῆ
monogenē


Definition: Only begotten, unique, one and only
Meaning: only, only-begotten; unique.

So unique is the definition of "begotten".

From monos and ginomai; only-born, i.e. Sole -- only (begotten, child).

It can be, and is in the Bible, used of the only born child, or as the one in the family who has a special status above the other members. Or as "the one and only".

In the case of John 3:16 it is being used as the "one and only" unique one born of God.
 
I don't see God as ordaining ALL THINGS. God has given mankind free will, where he is able to act in his own right, mankind has limits, but within those limits man has SOME freedom, especially when it comes to salvation.
Then you need to be more specific in your definition of free will. And most of all you need to demonstrate using the whole counsel of God, not "proof texts" isolated from their own immediate context, and from the full counsel, that free will applies to our ability to choose salvation, in that we can choose salvation apart from being regenerated by God.

My concern with most of your objections to the SOF as given are prefaced with "I think" or something similar. I strongly suggest that in those places where you "think" one thing and those exchanging posts with you, present something different from what you think, that you examine their words, and reasoning, and biblical support, check it against scripture trying will all due diligence of step outside the presuppositional posi tions you hold as assumptions when words like " I think---" followed by what your thinking on the matter is. And search for the truth, concerning the issue. If you only ever look at your own position, that is all you will ever see. And that is true of everyone.
 
People are changing their minds...


I think it should read, "...professed Christians..."

If one claims to be a Christian, but then denies the Trinity proves he/she is not a Christian.
 
Those who deny the Trinity have rejected what the Bible teaches.
Not true. Trinity teaches many things that just do not add up. The Trinity triangle is an abhorrent depiction of Jesus and God.

The contradictions are many and that's why people reject it.
 
It doesn't have to make sense to you. God is not obligated to cater to what you demand.



I don't use it.







You haven't given one.



They are confused.
You don't want to get me started on Trinity - I would eventually get banned.
 
You don't want to get me started on Trinity - I would eventually get banned.

You already started.

Anyway, go about it the proper way and ask a question about the Trinity without attacking the Triune God. I think that is how it is supposed to be done.
 
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