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[Eleanor]

Three.

Three is used to denote the end of a matter throughout scripture ..

What is the simple definition of the duality? The us ?

The dynamic dual .

Two is used to represent the marriage union. Christ and the bride.

By the witness of one no judgment, two or three a family. It establishes Christ is with them teaching comforting.

Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Mathew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established

#One The father eternal God not seen #Two the Son of man Jesus seen. God bearing let there be witness of his own self . the mixing of the temporal and eternal

John 8:17-19King James Version17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

John6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, (teacher) cometh unto me. (preacher)

Feel free to explain Jesus' presentation of three distinct persons in the (one being of the) ONE God in post #39.

 

[makesends]

Mr GLee said:
Hi Thanks

Ok. What is it I am misrepresenting?

What is the simple definition of the Trinity?

Mr GLee said:
The Trinty is a product of Catholicism . Needed for their queen. Same queen of heaven (Satan) in the Old Testament his and hers gods. (Jerimiah 44:15-19

Same rejection of the living word as the authority making it without effect we will not listen to it as it is written

Feel free to explain Jesus' presentation of three distinct persons in the (one being of the) ONE God.

The Son is subject to the Father, for the son is sent by the Father in the Father's name (Jn 5:23, 36, 43).
The Holy Spirit is subject to the Father, for the Holy Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (Jn 14:26).
The Holy Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Holy Spirit is sent by the Son as well as by the Father (Jn 15:26, 167, 14:26, Ac 2:33).

One is not subject to oneself.
One does not send oneself in the name of oneself, that is absurd. One sends another person in the name of oneself.
The plain language of Jesus presents three distinct divine persons in the one God.

@Mr GLee , please be sure to understand, Eleanor is not defending the Roman Catholic Church, nor their version of "the Trinity". She is only showing from scripture and scriptural doctrine the truth of the question.

I agree with you, to a very large degree, about Roman Catholicism. In South America, for a great many people, Mary is more loved / worshiped than Jesus! And Jesus, as far as that superstitious crowd, may as well be just another saint, better, maybe, than most. And the Roman Catholic authorities down there like it that way, and don't do much to teach the truth of the matter.

But the fact that they use the fact of the Trinity to help propel their use of people and their net of lies, no more changes what Scripture says than anything you say changes Scripture.

If @Eleanor is like me about this, she has no wish to discuss the RCC's notions concerning the Trinity, here, but only a true Doctrine of God. And that is the purpose of this thread.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Thanks

Ok. What is it I am misrepresenting?

The Trinty is a product of Catholicism . Needed for their queen. Same queen of heaven (Satan) in the Old Testament his and hers gods. (Jerimiah 44:15-19

Not so. The Trinity is in the bible, even though the actual word "Trinity" is not. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. If Roman Catholics needed a trinity to accommodate their "queen", they would need to leave one of the others (Father, Son or Holy Spirit) out, or have a quartet instead of a trinity!

Same rejection of the living word as the authority making it without effect we will not listen to it as it is written

Jerimah 44:16-17As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Today called patron saints 3,509 and new ones being elected frequently. picking up approval speed.

Idol image available for each one on-line.

In that way Catholicism allows a personal relationship with whatever patron saint they desire or more than one.

Like you, I disagree with the notion of "patron saints", but what do they have to do with the Trinity?

How many. "Let there be" Faithful Creators are there?

One, in three Persons. We are told that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. We are also told, in John 1:1-3 that the Son was involved in Creation:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

Genesis 1:2 shows us that the Holy Spirit was also involved:

“The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” (Ge 1:2 NKJV)

 

[Mr GLee]

Not so. The Trinity is in the bible, even though the actual word "Trinity" is not. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. If Roman Catholics needed a trinity to accommodate their "queen", they would need to leave one of the others (Father, Son or Holy Spirit) out, or have a quartet instead of a trinity!

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father as Christ, the one good teaching master (one in the same) The Power of the Father worked in the Son .
The dynamic dual

Not one God as the Father ,another God as the Holy Spirit, and another as the Son.

Trinity. It is needed to complete the Queen mother of heaven .

The Pope they must call Holy Father, Holy See, e.t.c If not they have no foundation .

Catholisicim eliminating the powerful work of the invisible Father, Christ our husband

Why would you think they refuse to obey the loving commandment to call "no man on earth Father" ?

Its why they chose Peter .To teach us to beware of the work of the anti-christ. Satan called the legion who woks in many anti-christs . (another teaching authroity other than sola scriptural.) Oral traditions of dying mankind that they must call Sacred Devine

Speaking false prophecy with Peter .Peter rebuked the Holy Father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the work of the Father .

Then the Father not seen gave words of rebuke informing the spirit of lies to get behind him not seen not dying mankind seen ..Called walking by faith the power of the Father

It is why they say Hail Mary full of grace attributing none to the unseen Holy Father . Its not "Hail Father full of grace" the actual one that is empower to raise men from the dead .

Peter the seral denier was again forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus .

Blasphemy against the unseen Holy Father .No forgiveness .

God is not a dying Jew, mankind

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took Him aside [to speak to Him privately and began to reprove and [m]charge Him sharply, saying, God forbid, Lord! This must never happen to You! But Jesus turned [n]away from Peter and said to him, Get behind Me, Satan! You are in My way [an offense and a hindrance and a snare to Me]; for you are [o]minding what partakes not of the nature and quality of God, but of men.

Ask the Catholic why they did not chose Jesus rather than Peter?

Personally I would of chosen John rather than Peter . less drama .

 

[David Lamb]

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father as Christ, the one good teaching master (one in the same) The Power of the Father worked in the Son .
The dynamic dual

Not one God as the Father ,another God as the Holy Spirit, and another as the Son.

But believers in the Trinity don't believe that the Father is one God, the Holy Spirit another God, and the Sone another God. They believe as I do that there is one God in three "persons".

Trinity. It is needed to complete the Queen mother of heaven .

Why? That would make 4. Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Mary, who they say is Queen of heaven. I assure you I don't believe she is.

The Pope they must call Holy Father, Holy See, e.t.c If not they have no foundation .

But that has nothing to do with the Trinity.

Catholisicim eliminating the powerful work of the invisible Father, Christ our husband

Why would you think they refuse to obey the loving commandment to call "no man on earth Father" ?

I agree that Roman Catholics are wrong in calling the pope "Holy Father". But they don't do that because of belief in the Trinity. Many non Catholics believe in the Trinity, but they don't call the pope "Holy father."

Its why they chose Peter .To teach us to beware of the work of the anti-christ. Satan called the legion who woks in many anti-christs . (another teaching authroity other than sola scriptural.) Oral traditions of dying mankind that they must call Sacred Devine

Speaking false prophecy with Peter .Peter rebuked the Holy Father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the work of the Father .

Then the Father not seen gave words of rebuke informing the spirit of lies to get behind him not seen not dying mankind seen ..Called walking by faith the power of the Father

It is why they say Hail Mary full of grace attributing none to the unseen Holy Father . Its not "Hail Father full of grace" the actual one that is empower to raise men from the dead .

I agree that they teach wrong things about Mary, but that is nothing to do with the Trinity.

Peter the seral denier was again forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus .

Blasphemy against the unseen Holy Father .No forgiveness .

Jesus says:

“"And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.” (Lu 12:10 NKJV)

God is not a dying Jew, mankind

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took Him aside [to speak to Him privately and began to reprove and [m]charge Him sharply, saying, God forbid, Lord! This must never happen to You! But Jesus turned [n]away from Peter and said to him, Get behind Me, Satan! You are in My way [an offense and a hindrance and a snare to Me]; for you are [o]minding what partakes not of the nature and quality of God, but of men.

Ask the Catholic why they did not chose Jesus rather than Peter?

Personally I would of chosen John rather than Peter . less drama .

I would choose Jesus.

 

[Mr GLee]

But believers in the Trinity don't believe that the Father is one God, the Holy Spirit another God, and the Sone another God. They believe as I do that there is one God in three "persons".

You are still saying three gods.

I would think the Dynamic Dual. Two gods The Father Emanuel unseen working in the Son of man Jesus (not as I will no power) Born again as the Son of God the other god .. . . marvel not

The Pharisees with Sadducees accused Jesus the Son of man of Blasphemy (attributing the works of our invisible God as if they came after dying mankind.

He introduced the dynamic dual

John 10:34-36Amplified Bible, Classic Edition 33 The Jews replied, We are not going to stone You for a good act, but for blasphemy, because You, a mere [e]Man, make Yourself [out to be] God. Jesus answered, Is it not written in your Law, I said, You are gods? So men are called gods [by the Law], men to whom God’s message came(apostles) —and the Scripture cannot be set aside or cancelled or broken or annulled— [If that is true] do you say of the One Whom the Father consecrated and dedicated and set apart for Himself and sent into the world, You are blaspheming, because I said, I am the Son of God

I would seem He calls us gods awaiting the new incorruptible body as the bride . Jesus said a spirit has not flesh and blood

The Pharisees with Sadducees that walked by sight. no trust in our invisible Holy Father. They are the same ones that made Jesus into a circus seal .Work some magic perform a miracle .then when we see it with our own eye then only will we believe for 1/2 a second

John 4:48Then Jesus said to him, Unless you see signs and miracles happen, you [people] never will believe(trust, have faith) at all.

John 6:30 Therefore they said to Him, What sign (miracle, wonderwork) will You perform then, so that we may see it and believe and rely on and adhere to You? What [supernatural] work have You [to show what You can do]?

I would say becarefull how we hear who we say we do. Satan the king of lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after as if prophecy.

These last days the lying wonders is on the rise. . the lying power of the new gender identity theft .I will be like any one or thing a person can imgaine . I will be like God on High. Satan the identity theft king of racism

Isaiah 14:13-15King James Version13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Many teach the ressurection has come "be all you can be .skies the limit .

 

[David Lamb]

You are still saying three gods.

No I am definitely not saying three Gods. There is one God, Who exists in 3 "persons": Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus said, "I and my Father are one."

 

[makesends]

Personally I would of chosen John rather than Peter . less drama .

 

[Eleanor]

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father as Christ, the one good teaching master (one in the same) The Power of the Father worked in the Son .
The dynamic dual

Not one God as the Father ,another God as the Holy Spirit, and another as the Son.

Trinity. It is needed to complete the Queen mother of heaven .

The Pope they must call Holy Father, Holy See, e.t.c If not they have no foundation .

Catholisicim eliminating the powerful work of the invisible Father, Christ our husband

Why would you think they refuse to obey the loving commandment to call "no man on earth Father" ?

Its why they chose Peter .To teach us to beware of the work of the anti-christ. Satan called the legion who woks in many anti-christs . (another teaching authroity other than sola scriptural.) Oral traditions of dying mankind that they must call Sacred Devine

Speaking false prophecy with Peter .Peter rebuked the Holy Father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the work of the Father .

Then the Father not seen gave words of rebuke informing the spirit of lies to get behind him not seen not dying mankind seen ..Called walking by faith the power of the Father

It is why they say Hail Mary full of grace attributing none to the unseen Holy Father . Its not "Hail Father full of grace" the actual one that is empower to raise men from the dead .

Peter the seral denier was again forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus .

Blasphemy against the unseen Holy Father .No forgiveness .

God is not a dying Jew, mankind

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took Him aside [to speak to Him privately and began to reprove and [m]charge Him sharply, saying, God forbid, Lord! This must never happen to You! But Jesus turned [n]away from Peter and said to him, Get behind Me, Satan! You are in My way [an offense and a hindrance and a snare to Me]; for you are [o]minding what partakes not of the nature and quality of God, but of men.

Ask the Catholic why they did not chose Jesus rather than Peter?

Personally I would of chosen John rather than Peter . less drama .

You might like to know that is I would've (would have).

 

[makesends]

You might like to know that is I would've (would have).

@Mr GLee , while in the mood, you might want to take a look at "dynamic dual". I'm never sure if you mean "dynamic duo" or whether you are trying to make a clever pun.

 

[Mr GLee]

@Mr GLee , while in the mood, you might want to take a look at "dynamic dual". I'm never sure if you mean "dynamic duo" or whether you are trying to make a clever pun.

Sorry, yes dynamic duo. The father and the Son