John 6:44-65

[Arial]

@JIM and anyone who wishes to participate.

If you were conducting a Bible study with new believers, going through John and had arrived at John 6:

Someone asks what does it mean "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."?

That will be question one. What would your answer be in your own words without referring to any other scripture at that point. Obviously further biblical exploration would eventually occur in a Bible study. But for now, all the student would want to know is your answer to that question. The same will hold true for all the questions this student asks. Your own words what is the clear meaning of the text itself, no other biblical references.

The next question the student asks is:
2. What does it mean that it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all?

Same student:
3.When Jesus told them that there were some who did not believe, what did he mean when he added, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."?

 

[LeviR]

@JIM and anyone who wishes to participate.

If you were conducting a Bible study with new believers, going through John and had arrived at John 6:

Someone asks what does it mean "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."?

That will be question one. What would your answer be in your own words without referring to any other scripture at that point. Obviously further biblical exploration would eventually occur in a Bible study. But for now, all the student would want to know is your answer to that question. The same will hold true for all the questions this student asks. Your own words what is the clear meaning of the text itself, no other biblical references.

The next question the student asks is:
2. What does it mean that it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all?

Same student:
3.When Jesus told them that there were some who did not believe, what did he mean when he added, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."?

I would say that many had come to Christ because they believed he was the one who the Father had spoken of was to come. The Messiah. The one who was to come and restore the kingdom back to the Jewish people.
The Father had drawn them by the scriptures which spoke of the Christ.

It is the Spirit which gives life.
Do not be confused by the parable of being the bread of life which comes down from heaven and that you must eat of his flesh and drink his blood in order to have life in you.
Some took his saying as literal and were shocked by it enough so they left off following him.
It is not the literal eating of his flesh that gives life, but rather the words he spoke. Which were Spirit words.

 

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I would say that many had come to Christ because they believed he was the one who the Father had spoken of was to come. The Messiah. The one who was to come and restore the kingdom back to the Jewish people.
The Father had drawn them by the scriptures which spoke of the Christ.

Is that what the verse says though?

It is the Spirit which gives life.
Do not be confused by the parable of being the bread of life which comes down from heaven and that you must eat of his flesh and drink his blood in order to have life in you.
Some took his saying as literal and were shocked by it enough so they left off following him.
It is not the literal eating of his flesh that gives life, but rather the words he spoke. Which were Spirit words.

The hypothetical student did not ask about the parables. They asked what it meant that the Spirit gives life, the flesh is no help at all?

 

[LeviR]

Is that what the verse says though?

The hypothetical student did not ask about the parables. They asked what it meant that the Spirit gives life, the flesh is no help at all?

Jhn 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

I believe that’s what he’s saying. The prophets from Moses on down have spoken of Christ. They were men who were under inspiration of the Spirit of the Father.
All who believed what was written of him have therefore heard and learned of the Father regarding the Messiah. And those come to him because they believe what was spoken.

 

[Arial]

Jhn 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

I asked that the meaning be given without referring to any other scriptures. The plain meaning iow. But just for your information. verse 44 interprets 45, not the other way around. What does Jesus mean (not an interpretation of what he means or an opinion of what he means) when he says No man CAN come to Him except the Father----

I believe that’s what he’s saying. The prophets from Moses on down have spoken of Christ. They were men who were under inspiration of the Spirit of the Father.
All who believed what was written of him have therefore heard and learned of the Father regarding the Messiah. And those come to him because they believe what was spoken.

I did not ask what you believe he is saying. I ask what he was saying. There is no logical reason to go to the lengths you did in order to change the clear meaning. There is nothing in the entire context that even suggests such a thing as you say. Besides that. many people come to Jesus who know nothing of the OT or what it says when they do so.

 

[Carbon]

@JIM and anyone who wishes to participate.

If you were conducting a Bible study with new believers, going through John and had arrived at John 6:

Someone asks what does it mean "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."?

That will be question one. What would your answer be in your own words without referring to any other scripture at that point. Obviously further biblical exploration would eventually occur in a Bible study. But for now, all the student would want to know is your answer to that question. The same will hold true for all the questions this student asks. Your own words what is the clear meaning of the text itself, no other biblical references.

The next question the student asks is:
2. What does it mean that it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all?

Same student:
3.When Jesus told them that there were some who did not believe, what did he mean when he added, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."?

Great questions actually. I'll give my answer also.

 

[Carbon]

@JIM and anyone who wishes to participate.

If you were conducting a Bible study with new believers, going through John and had arrived at John 6:

Someone asks what does it mean "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."?

That will be question one. What would your answer be in your own words without referring to any other scripture at that point. Obviously further biblical exploration would eventually occur in a Bible study. But for now, all the student would want to know is your answer to that question. The same will hold true for all the questions this student asks. Your own words what is the clear meaning of the text itself, no other biblical references.

Since we have made it this far in John and this is a bible study, assuming we have been though John 3, I would say something like. Those the Father chose in eternity are those He will draw according to His promise, no one else will come.

The next question the student asks is:
2. What does it mean that it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all?

Same student:
3.When Jesus told them that there were some who did not believe, what did he mean when he added, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."?

Salvation is all of God. As I said in the first answer, "no one else will come" A lost sinner must be born of the Spirit before he can come.


I would hope these two answers would provoke more questions.

 

[Carbon]

I would say that many had come to Christ because they believed he was the one who the Father had spoken of was to come. The Messiah. The one who was to come and restore the kingdom back to the Jewish people.
The Father had drawn them by the scriptures which spoke of the Christ.

So, you would totally ignore the person's question?

It is the Spirit which gives life.
Do not be confused by the parable of being the bread of life which comes down from heaven and that you must eat of his flesh and drink his blood in order to have life in you.
Some took his saying as literal and were shocked by it enough so they left off following him.
It is not the literal eating of his flesh that gives life, but rather the words he spoke. Which were Spirit words.

 

[Carbon]

Is that what the verse says though?

Absolutely not!

 

[Carbon]

Jhn 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Ummm, what does: 45 say again? I tell you it says exactly what it means.
It's part of the context of verse 44.

Having heard and learned from the Father, is the drawing. Scripture spells it out for you in black and white.

 

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Since we have made it this far in John and this is a bible study, assuming we have been though John 3, I would say something like. Those the Father chose in eternity are those He will draw according to His promise, no one else will come.

Salvation is all of God. As I said in the first answer, "no one else will come" A lost sinner must be born of the Spirit before he can come.


I would hope these two answers would provoke more questions.

And you are right. Having already gone through chapters 1-3 an astute and biblical teacher in a Bible study would remind them of those things when it comes to the question about the Spirit and not being able to enter the kingdom of heaven unless one is born again in John 3. And what it says in John 1:12-13, (But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God,) putting them together as you have. As to verse 44 and Jesus repeating it even more forcefully in verse 65 "No one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father." we then have: In order to believe, we must be born again from above, not by the will of the flesh; not by the will of man; but by God. This is done in us by the Spirit---the flesh is of no help.

Only those who God grants this new birth will believe and only those will come to Jesus. They have been granted the right to become children of God.

And verse 44 means exactly what it says. Nothing more, nothing less, no interpretation beyond the clear words needed. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."

So if a person truly believes it is because God has sent the Spirit to give the new birth in Christ, applying his work to them. No matter how they may be looking at the process.

 

[Carbon]

And you are right. Having already gone through chapters 1-3 an astute and biblical teacher in a Bible study would remind them of those things when it comes to the question about the Spirit and not being able to enter the kingdom of heaven unless one is born again in John 3. And what it says in John 1:12-13, (But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God,) putting them together as you have. As to verse 44 and Jesus repeating it even more forcefully in verse 65 "No one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father." we then have: In order to believe, we must be born again from above, not by the will of the flesh; not by the will of man; but by God. This is done in us by the Spirit---the flesh is of no help.

Only those who God grants this new birth will believe and only those will come to Jesus. They have been granted the right to become children of God.

And verse 44 means exactly what it says. Nothing more, nothing less, no interpretation beyond the clear words needed. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."

So if a person truly believes it is because God has sent the Spirit to give the new birth in Christ, applying his work to them. No matter how they may be looking at the process.

Amen!

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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● John 6:44 . . No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.

That statement is somewhat expanded in the epistle to the Hebrews where it says:

● Heb 2:1-3 . .We must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we
drift away from it. For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and
every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense, how shall we
escape if we neglect so great a salvation?

The Greek word translated "neglect" basically means to ignore, disregard, set aside,
to make light of, viz: assign a low priority.

Jesus told a parable about some folks who were adequately catechized but let day
to day concerns distract them from taking action on the information they were
given. In other words they procrastinated; probably intending to getting around
some day to thinking about their afterlife prospects.

He told another parable wherein a number of folks invited to a wedding found a
variety of excuses not to attend. The host was wroth and banned the original
guests so that even if they changed their minds about attending, they would not be
allowed.

Well; I think the Bible is telling us that Heaven has little tolerance for things like
neglect, indifference, and procrastination. It says, in so many words: If you hear
the message, don't delay to respond because now is your time, today
is your opportunity for salvation.

The message, it its basic form, is very simple.

● Heb 2:9 . .We see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the
suffering of death, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

● Isa 53:6 . . All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his
own way; and The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The only action required of folks on track for perdition, and with no humanly
possible way to avoid it, is to RSVP God in their own words like this:

"Lord, I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's death to
protect myself from retribution."

Words similar to those will make a tremendous difference in someone's prospects
but no, many are indifferent to God's message and allow a golden opportunity to
make peace with Him slip thru their fingers.

● Heb 12:25-26 . . See to it that you do not refuse Him who speaks. If they did not
escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we,
if we turn away from Him who warns us from heaven?

Jesus as much as implied: there's no guarantee his Father will go on, and on, and
on, urging the lost. There's a very real danger that the day will come when His
patience reaches its reasonable limits and that stubborn soul will never hear from
Him again.

"My spirit will not always strive with man." (Gen 6:3)
_

 

[JIM]

@JIM and anyone who wishes to participate.

If you were conducting a Bible study with new believers, going through John and had arrived at John 6:

Someone asks what does it mean "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."?

That will be question one. What would your answer be in your own words without referring to any other scripture at that point.

Why would anyone do that? That is precisely where so many go wrong.

 

[JIM]

The next question the student asks is:
2. What does it mean that it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all?

Why would the next question be about John 6:63? What happened to John 6:45-62?

 

[Arial]

Why would the next question be about John 6:63? What happened to John 6:45-62?

Because the "student" did not ask any questions concerning those verses. Are you going to answer his questions or ask why he didn't ask different questions?

 

[Arial]

Why would anyone do that? That is precisely where so many go wrong.

Is that how you would answer a babe in Christ's questions?

 

[Arial]

.
● John 6:44 . . No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.

That statement is somewhat expanded in the epistle to the Hebrews where it says:

● Heb 2:1-3 . .We must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we
drift away from it. For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and
every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense, how shall we
escape if we neglect so great a salvation?

The Greek word translated "neglect" basically means to ignore, disregard, set aside,
to make light of, viz: assign a low priority.

Jesus told a parable about some folks who were adequately catechized but let day
to day concerns distract them from taking action on the information they were
given. In other words they procrastinated; probably intending to getting around
some day to thinking about their afterlife prospects.

He told another parable wherein a number of folks invited to a wedding found a
variety of excuses not to attend. The host was wroth and banned the original
guests so that even if they changed their minds about attending, they would not be
allowed.

Well; I think the Bible is telling us that Heaven has little tolerance for things like
neglect, indifference, and procrastination. It says, in so many words: If you hear
the message, don't delay to respond because now is your time, today
is your opportunity for salvation.

The message, it its basic form, is very simple.

● Heb 2:9 . .We see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the
suffering of death, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

● Isa 53:6 . . All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his
own way; and The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The only action required of folks on track for perdition, and with no humanly
possible way to avoid it, is to RSVP God in their own words like this:

"Lord, I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's death to
protect myself from retribution."

Words similar to those will make a tremendous difference in someone's prospects
but no, many are indifferent to God's message and allow a golden opportunity to
make peace with Him slip thru their fingers.

● Heb 12:25-26 . . See to it that you do not refuse Him who speaks. If they did not
escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we,
if we turn away from Him who warns us from heaven?

Jesus as much as implied: there's no guarantee his Father will go on, and on, and
on, urging the lost. There's a very real danger that the day will come when His
patience reaches its reasonable limits and that stubborn soul will never hear from
Him again.

"My spirit will not always strive with man." (Gen 6:3)
_

Someone asks what does it mean "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."?

That will be question one. What would your answer be in your own words without referring to any other scripture at that point. Obviously further biblical exploration would eventually occur in a Bible study. But for now, all the student would want to know is your answer to that question. The same will hold true for all the questions this student asks. Your own words what is the clear meaning of the text itself, no other biblical references.

The next question the student asks is:
2. What does it mean that it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all?

Same student:
3.When Jesus told them that there were some who did not believe, what did he mean when he added, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."?

That is a long drawn out non answer to the question this poor inquisitive hypothetical student asked. It completely bypassed the question. Folks pretend that the OP is a question on a job interview form--the position being applied for being a Bible Study teacher.

 

[JIM]

Because the "student" did not ask any questions concerning those verses. Are you going to answer his questions or ask why he didn't ask different questions?

I am not going to given him an answer to his question devoid of all the rest of scripture. That would be no answer at all.

 

[JIM]

Is that how you would answer a babe in Christ's questions?

If I were the teacher and if he were a babe in Christ, we wouldn't be at John 6:44.