Jesus, peter, keys matt 16

[Runningman]

The context reveals that people were divided as to who Christ was. No different than today.
Who was he? Who is he?
Peter’s confession ought to settle the issue, but it has not.
Jesus is the son of the living God. If you know that, he knows you.
Do you believe it?
No, they don’t.
They say he is God.
No, Jesus has a God. His God is his Father.
He is the son of the living God.
Believe it or not.
The living God is his God and Father.

I believe it. It's easier to believe it than invent a story about it meaning something else.

 

[Arial]

No keys in this passage

The apostles can be wrong in matters of discipline and correct each other

That wasn't about discipline.

 

[prism]

Why is Peter even mentioned?

Doesn't Rome claim Peter was the first pope?
Doesn't Rome claim the pope is without error?
Wasn't Peter in error when Paul confronted Peter in Gal 2?
Just connecting a few dots.

 

[Carbon]

So only a pope can correct another pope?

Well, they are way behind on their correcting then.

 

[Carbon]

What does pope mean?

papa

 

[Carbon]

Doesn't Rome claim the pope is without error?

No, they believe the pope is without error only in matters of faith and morals, and only when speaking from his chair.

 

[Mr GLee]

Matt 16:17-19
Why is Peter even mentioned?
Why does Jesus change His name?
Why does Jesus say Peter is blessed?
Why does Jesus give Peter the keys of the kingdom (jurisdictional authority)
Why does Jesus give Peter power to bind and loose?
Why does scripture say God chose Peter? Acts 15:7
What does Peter standing up signify? Acts 1:15 & 15:7

Hi Don

The context did not end in verse 19 .

Why does he say all born agin believers are blessed by his mercy mixed with his grace

The proof is in the pudding. What matters is what did he do with this magical key in question ? Did he glorify the unseen head Christ??

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Try reading slower and prayerful.

Why did the keys empower Peter to rebuke the Lord and forbid the Son of man from doing the will of the head or husband?

What does the Pope say???Call a legion of dying men called on earth Holy Father ,Holy See. our vicar or Rome . .Christ?

What was the lesson in the end of the matter ?

Pretend the discourse ends in verse 19?

 

[prism]

No, they believe the pope is without error only in matters of faith and morals, and only when speaking from his chair.

Wasn't Peter sitting in his chair?... until he got up.

(Gal 2:12) for before certain men came from James, he would eat (sit) with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.

of faith and morals

justification is all about faith and the root of our morals

(Gal 2:16) knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
(Gal 2:17) "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!


But I agree, I forgot about their Ex Cathedra thingy.

 

[Carbon]

Wasn't Peter sitting in his chair?... until he got up.

Haha. The pope didn't come on the scene until the end of the third century. If I remember history correctly, so, no, Peter couldn't have sat on his chair because a pope's chair didn't exist for a few more centuries.

But I agree, I forgot about the Ex Cathedra thingy.

 

[Mr GLee]

Haha. The pope didn't come on the scene until the end of the third century. If I remember history correctly, so, no, Peter couldn't have sat on his chair because a pope's chair didn't exist for a few more centuries.

Yes not a literal magical mystical chair to wonder after .Simply the unseen spiritual of truth as it is written His seat of authroity, as it is written.

Job 9:32-33 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

Popes as daysmen . . infalible interpreter, dying mankind as a umpire set between God not seen and mankind seen. . calling the balls and strikes outs go to hell

They need image props as a source to wonder after. believers have prophecy the sword of the Spirit till the end of time

According to a law of the legion father dying mankind They made Jesus the Son of man into a circus seal. . Work your magic perform a miracle then when we see it with our own eyes we will believe for 10 seconds

The law

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

The witness showing they broke it

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

 

[donadams]

More here than meets the eye!

Matt 16:15-19

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

How is it that Peter is operating as a mediator between the Father (God) and the apostles (men) with Jesus approving? Why is Peter allowed to act as mediator?

Matt 17:24-27

24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

Jesus identifies Himself with Peter!
Why only Jesus & Peter?
Why not all the apostles if they are equal with peter?

Here Peter acts as mediator between men & God! (Jesus Christ)

Again Peter is allowed by Christ to act as mediator?

Is Peter being prepared to act for Christ is His church when Christ ascends to heaven?


Not peters confession of faith but Gods, the Father’s revelation about Christ!

Peter is only the mouthpiece of the Father, to bring truth to the apostles!

Apostolic church is the mouthpiece
Truth to the nations!

God chose Peter! Acts 15:7
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago (referring to matt 16:18) God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Again Peter acting as mediator between God and men and is the teacher who acts in union with Christ our teacher. Heb 1:1-3

Why does the father teach the apostles thru Peter when christ is right there?

Christ defers unto peter to be the minister of this truth, why?

Christ is establishing peter the head and chief minister of His church!

Apostles learn the true faith from God thru Peter!

Jn 21:15-17

15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Again Peter is united with Christ acting as mediator between God and men as Christ’s personal representative at Christ’s command!

Your insights are welcome!

 

[prism]

More here than meets the eye!

Matt 16:15-19

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

How is it that Peter is operating as a mediator between the Father (God) and the apostles (men) with Jesus approving? Why is Peter allowed to act as mediator?

Matt 17:24-27

24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

Jesus identifies Himself with Peter!
Why only Jesus & Peter?
Why not all the apostles if they are equal with peter?

Here Peter acts as mediator between men & God! (Jesus Christ)

Again Peter is allowed by Christ to act as mediator?

Is Peter being prepared to act for Christ is His church when Christ ascends to heaven?


Not peters confession of faith but Gods, the Father’s revelation about Christ!

Peter is only the mouthpiece of the Father, to bring truth to the apostles!

Apostolic church is the mouthpiece
Truth to the nations!

God chose Peter! Acts 15:7
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago (referring to matt 16:18) God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Again Peter acting as mediator between God and men and is the teacher who acts in union with Christ our teacher. Heb 1:1-3

Why does the father teach the apostles thru Peter when christ is right there?

Christ defers unto peter to be the minister of this truth, why?

Christ is establishing peter the head and chief minister of His church!

Apostles learn the true faith from God thru Peter!

Jn 21:15-17

15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Again Peter is united with Christ acting as mediator between God and men as Christ’s personal representative at Christ’s command!

Your insights are welcome!

Yes, there is more...

Galatians 2:7 NKJV
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me (Paul), as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter

 

[donadams]

Yes, there is more...

Galatians 2:7 NKJV
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me (Paul), as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter

Whats this have to do with anything?

When did i give reference to the gospel?

 

[donadams]

Yes, there is more...

Galatians 2:7 NKJV
But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me (Paul), as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter

When did Paul receive the keys of the kingdom, and acts as mediator with Christ the head of the church as the head of the church on earth?

When did Christ command paul to feed my sheep, lambs?

Why are both mentioned?

Sheep refers too what?

Lambs refers to what?

Thks

 

[donadams]

Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Judas held the office of apostle, bishop, in the ministry.

If it applies to Judas how much more to Peter?

Jesus changed His name signifying an “office” and even the highest office in the church under Christ!

Only Simon’s name is changed.

Peters is always first!

 

[prism]

When did Paul receive the keys of the kingdom, and acts as mediator with Christ the head of the church as the head of the church on earth?

When did Christ command paul to feed my sheep, lambs?

Why are both mentioned?

Sheep refers too what?

Lambs refers to what?

Thks

Acts 9:15-16 KJV
But the Lord said unto him (Ananias), Go thy way: for he (Paul/Saul) is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: [16] For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Paul was never set as Mediator and neither was Peter

 

[LeviR]

Acts 9:15-16 KJV
But the Lord said unto him (Ananias), Go thy way: for he (Paul/Saul) is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: [16] For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Paul was never set as Mediator and neither was Peter

They pretend Peter was the head of the church who was given the only keys to the kingdom, as if what others taught(such as Paul) was not the same message of salvation through Christ.
It justifies their Pope doctrine.
What a scam!

 

[prism]

They pretend Peter was the head of the church who was given the only keys to the kingdom, as if what others taught(such as Paul) was not the same message of salvation through Christ.
It justifies their Pope doctrine.
What a scam!

agreed

 

[Mr GLee]

Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Judas held the office of apostle, bishop, in the ministry.

If it applies to Judas how much more to Peter?

Jesus changed His name signifying an “office” and even the highest office in the church under Christ!

Only Simon’s name is changed.

Peters is always first!

Hi Don

The first things first Catholic competition sacred oral tradition .

Which first thing first . . .Peter's long legs the fastest first place getting to the Tomb ? First mentioned in role call ? First rebuked for going to town and start a oral traditons of the legion of fathers Jesus said if every time dying mankind stared a rumor I heard it through the grape vine law and it was written down we would need a bigger planet to hold the volumes upon volumes (John 21)

First to be used to represent lively stones the spiritual unseen house of God the whole church ?
Rather than use flesh and blood Abraham from one geration to the next as our Holy Father Christ in us. peter like Abraham is used to usuup the authority of sola acriptura

The don't even think of it. . . make my day

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham (Peter) to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones (peters) to raise up children unto Abraham.

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

First things first, the private interpretation as a law of the fathers sacred dying mankind (CCC) That which tries to make sola scriptura without effect.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (law of the dying fathers)

Can't serve two good teaching master as one lord . . sola scriptura . . and the written law of the father dying sacred mankind (CCC)

Was Peter our brother in the Lord the serial denier first to be used to faithfully trust the oral traditons of the legion of fathers (patron saint gods).dying mankind ?

Was Peter our brother in the Lord the first to rebuke our living God Christ, the husband and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the powerful will of the father? Mathew 16

Again what is the subject matter in the end. .? Peter unlocked the gates of hell with false prophecy oral tradition of dying mankind??? .

Peter the denier our brother in the Lord was forgiven of blasphemy against the son of man, Jesus. Blasphemy against the Holy Father no forgiveness just wondering suffering and wondering in Limbo of Purgatory

Mathew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Why not rather chose Jesus the Son of man the Holy fathers choice.

Peter taller, better preacher, longer beard, first one to the cave???

The last will be first

No venerating puffing up dying mankind. . . a wile of the evil one

 

[donadams]

Acts 9:15-16 KJV
But the Lord said unto him (Ananias), Go thy way: for he (Paul/Saul) is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: [16] For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Paul was never set as Mediator and neither was Peter

Mediator of the covenant means the only one who obtains the atonement and mercy of God

But many intercede and mediate on a lower level

Paul acts as mediator between God and men showing the way of salvation acts 16:17

But paul is not the head of the church on earth peter has union with Christ

Peter is first

First and chief apostle!

Matt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Lk 22:32 Christ prayed for Peter!

Peter is head of the church on earth in the place of Christ until His return!

Isa 22:21-22 21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 23:1 power and authority of the kingdom known in the keys and binding and loosing, Matt 21:43 kingdom shall be taken from you given to another who will bear fruit. (Peter the apostles in holy church Lk 22:29)

Matt 17:27 Jesus identified peter

Thks