Jesus is not “the way”?

[donadams]

Don't you get tired of mocking sola (scriptura)? You have not proved anything in regard to the Bible which you must see as dead words and not a living word .

baptize . .the washing and renewing not the saving.

A person would to look to the foundation of the doctrines of God that fall like rain, drop as dew coming from above to represent the unseen work of the Holy Spirit. Not rising up inspired earthly from Rome .

David in the Psalm replied if the unbelievers destroy the foundation of a doctrine what could those do that are trusting the foundation revealed as it is writen do?

Just make up your own foundation as a law of dying mankind the lerion of gods (petron asints ?

Why hear the word of a God not seen, rather than the pagan foundation out of sight out of mind murder the misperceived competition follow Saul the murderer not Christ the Holy Father

The ceremonial washing with the water of the word was on a voluntary bases, only requirement a levi

It was set up as a ceremonial law or shadow a sign to the unbelieving world in ahope of drawing them into the hearing of faith The believer had prophecy no need for signs to wonder after. The shadow was not a sign to themselves proving they have been born again.

On the first day havening dressed in priestly attire Both sons of Aaron disobeyed the law of shadow (ceremonies ).And they added their own personal touch or finger print as in, I did it ,it proves it. Calling it strange unauthorized fire as judgment The fiery judgment consumed them not a hint of smoke of the priestly garments . Ready for the next volunteer as a sign to other they have a desire to please God,

Same as today the washing and renewing with the water of the word. A sign to the faithless unbelieving world .No longer after a levite.

The priesthood given over to the tribe of Judah after the order of melchizedek King of kings Lord of lords. Judah the tribe that represented all the tribes men and women as prophets,

Before the reformation. Just as in Catholicism today . No female prophets "men only club" no Jewish women or gentiles they were separated by a high wall .

What the Catholics must call sacraments "eat and drink your way to heaven" The Bible calls "strange fire" or smoke. Dying mankind as a law of the fathers a sign unto thier own self. I ate it, it came out as draught, seeing thing that enter our mouth do not efect a soul .The refuse must be buried outside the camp

.Matthew 15:16-18King James Version1 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

No fountain of youth

Leviticus 10:1-3 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord. Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the Lord spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace.

Catholicism is the result of worshipping venerating shadows of the eternal things of God And not our Holy father in heaven alone .

Learn what it mean to rightly divide that which you must call heresy (sola scriptura)

Why make Jesus into a circus seal? There is no reward for that . . work a miracle do a trick then when they see with their own eyes. . then they will exercise faith (understanding) or power of God

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.


John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Scripture yes!
Scripture alone no!
Scripture plus private judgement no!
Scripture and tradition yes!

 

[donadams]

Really? Who created him? God is not a creation?

Human nature and a created
Two natures one person
Two wills

Fully divine fully human

 

[makesends]

But an idol is only in one verse

So what?

 

[donadams]

So what?

Then there is no context admit it!

 

[donadams]

Then there is no context admit it!

Context is an excuse to reject scripture that does not fit our pet false doctrines

 

[Runningman]

It’s cos those who deny Christ or His church or His revelation are in spiritual blindness!

Not taking you seriously. Your beliefs aren't actually in the Bible.

 

[Papa Smurf]

Hello Don, in post #74 above, your words are quoted as if I wrote them. Why??

You mentioned Matthew 23:9, but I have no idea why you did (or why you wrote anything that you did in that particular post). Care to share

Thanks

--Papa Smurf

 

[donadams]

Hello Don, in post #74 above, your words are quoted as if I wrote them. Why??

You mentioned Matthew 23:9, but I have no idea why you did (or why you wrote anything that you did in that particular post). Care to share

Thanks

--Papa Smurf

Probably cos I deleted them and sent you a funny message

Fundamentalists say it’s absolute but it’s really a joke

I was just funning you

Its all good

 

[Papa Smurf]

I believe the ancient faith of the apostles acts2:42
The catholic and divine faith not any of the novelties since 1960
Thanks

Interesting. So, if you disagree with the modern CC, where do you go to church (if you don't mind me asking)? Is there a group within the CC that believes what you do and meets together for fellowship and worship because they do?

Thanks

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - are you, and those who believe what you do going to do whatever you can to reform the CC to the church that you believe it is supposed to be/the church that was, so to speak (that sounds familiar ). And if the path that the CC is following now (away from the pro-1960's CC) continues on, will you form a new church?

 

[Papa Smurf]

In context scripture is Protestant
Out of context catholic

That's an interesting thing for a Catholic to say.

I can see why it's a concern of yours and why you made this thread, since that's what you believe.

The thing is, it's not true for the vast majority of what the CC teaches/believes, because I (as well as most Protestants) walk in lockstep with 85-90% of what the CC teaches. In reality, Protestants stand wholly opposed to only about 5% of the CC's teachings. These are always teachings that cannot be supported by the Bible or are supported by an eisegetical (out-of-context) teaching from the Bible (which is used as a way of making the Bible conform to a particular teaching when it actually does not).

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - BTW, the CC is hardly alone in their turning to "out-of-context" teachings when they deem it necessary to do so. Many groups have done/continue to do the same, including the famous atheist, Madalyn Murray O'Hair (who you may remember got prayer removed from public schools in America back when I was a kid). She said that one of the big reasons that she decided to become an atheist is because "even the Bible says, 'there is no God'". You know what, taken "out-of-context", she is correct, the Bible does say, "there is no God", several times, in fact (e.g. Psalm 14:1). Thankfully, BECAUSE of context, we know that Madalyn's interpretation in this case was incorrect.

This is one of the (granted, somewhat hyperbolic) reasons that we stick to sound/historic hermeneutical principles when studying the Bible (because we want to know what God actually meant for us to know in all of the verses/passages in His word). Taking the text "in context" is one of the foundational principles, a 'principal principle' of hermeneutics, just FYI.
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[Papa Smurf]

Context is an excuse to reject scripture that does not fit our pet false doctrines

Hmmm, rather, context is the reason that we know what is and what is not a "pet, false doctrine" and why these false doctrines/dogmas MUST be rejected

 

[Papa Smurf]

Hello again Don (@donadams), lastly, I'm still interested to know a couple of things that I asked you about earlier in the thread. First, why you believe that ἐργάτης (translated "workman" in 2 Timothy 2:15) refers to the Apostles, exclusively (especially when the Apostle Paul wrote what he did in v15, first and foremost, to non-Apostle Timothy)

Also, concerning Sunday School (or the lack thereof) for Catholic little ones during your services, do they, infants through 6th graders, that is, just stay with their parents in the pews during regular worship services each week

Thanks

--Papa Smurf

 

[Papa Smurf]

p.s. - are you, and those who believe what you do going to do whatever you can to reform the CC to the church that you believe it is supposed to be/the church that was, so to speak (that sounds familiar ). And if the path that the CC is following now (away from the pro-1960's pre-1960's CC) continues on, will you form a new church?

Whoops, sorry about the typo in post #89 @donadams, et al

 

[donadams]

That's an interesting thing for a Catholic to say.

I can see why it's a concern of yours and why you made this thread, since that's what you believe.

The thing is, it's not true for the vast majority of what the CC teaches/believes, because I (as well as most Protestants) walk in lockstep with 85-90% of what the CC teaches. In reality, Protestants stand wholly opposed to only about 5% of the CC's teachings. These are always teachings that cannot be supported by the Bible or are supported by an eisegetical (out-of-context) teaching from the Bible (which is used as a way of making the Bible conform to a particular teaching when it actually does not).

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - BTW, the CC is hardly alone in their turning to "out-of-context" teachings when they deem it necessary to do so. Many groups have done/continue to do the same, including the famous atheist, Madalyn Murray O'Hair (who you may remember got prayer removed from public schools in America back when I was a kid). She said that one of the big reasons that she decided to become an atheist is because "even the Bible says, 'there is no God'". You know what, taken "out-of-context", she is correct, the Bible does say, "there is no God", several times, in fact (e.g. Psalm 14:1). Thankfully, BECAUSE of context, we know that Madalyn's interpretation in this case was incorrect.

This is one of the (granted, somewhat hyperbolic) reasons that we stick to sound/historic hermeneutical principles when studying the Bible (because we want to know what God actually meant for us to know in all of the verses/passages in His word). Taking the text "in context" is one of the foundational principles, a 'principal principle' of hermeneutics, just FYI.
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Did christ establish the church?

 

[donadams]

Hello again Don (@donadams), lastly, I'm still interested to know a couple of things that I asked you about earlier in the thread. First, why you believe that ἐργάτης (translated "workman" in 2 Timothy 2:15) refers to the Apostles, exclusively (especially when the Apostle Paul wrote what he did in v15, first and foremost, to non-Apostle Timothy)

Also, concerning Sunday School (or the lack thereof) for Catholic little ones during your services, do they, infants through 6th graders, that is, just stay with their parents in the pews during regular worship services each week

Thanks

--Papa Smurf

Only apostles have authority from christ

Toddlers usually go to play school

Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors founded in the one true church by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Hear the church Matt 18:17 the only pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

 

[donadams]

Whoops, sorry about the typo in post #89 @donadams, et al

It’s all good I automatically corrected it

 

[donadams]

Hmmm, rather, context is the reason that we know what is and what is not a "pet, false doctrine" and why these false doctrines/dogmas MUST be rejected

Well we don’t believe the five sola’s including scripture alone!

The revelation of Jesus Christ
The tradition
Or
Teaching

The word of God
Thru the apostolic church
By
Word (verbal) & scripture (written)

Amen!

(Note: teaching authority of Christ in His apostolic church, not traditions, habits, customs etc.)

Sacred Tradition / apostolic tradition

Every word the apostles heard from the mouth of Christ and were commanded to teach to all men!

The truths revealed by Christ and commanded by Christ to be taught by the apostles to all men!

Matt 28:19 does NOT say: go and teach all men to observe “scripture alone”, it does Not say go write books and let the people make their own faith!

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Commanded to teach not to write “scripture alone”!

Commanded tradition not “scripture alone”!

Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Apostolic tradition (doctrine) Not scripture alone”!

Nor is there more than one Christian faith revealed by Christ and taught by the apostolic church!
Eph 4:5

The Authority of the apostolic church is binds the conscience of every Christian to believe the Christian faith or the truths revealed by Christ and found in the creeds, didache, dogma’s and Decree’s of apostolic councils.

The apostles are commanded by Christ to teach tradition.

One revelation of Jesus Christ!
Word (Verbal)
and
Epistle (scripture)
2 thes 2:15

Scripture Verses that contradict the “Bible is our ONLY AUTHORITY”!

Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
Matt 13:11
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19
Lk 1:4
Lk 10:16
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21
Acts 1:8
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:26
Acts 8:31
Acts 18:25
Rom 10:15
1 cor 4:11
1 cor 11:23
1 thes 2:23
2 thes 2:2
2 thes 2:15
Col 2:7
Eph 4:5
Heb 13:7
Heb 13:17
1 Tim 3:15
1 Jn 1:3-5
1 Jn 4:6
2 Jn 1:12
Jude 1:3

How can it be said scripture is “sole authority” or the only source of truth or the rule of faith when scripture says we must hear the church Matt 18:17 the apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14 we must hold the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42 the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15