Jesus is not “the way”?

[Papa Smurf]

Context and exegesis are not in the Bible!

Neither are words like Sacerdotalism or Mediatrix or Eucharist or Pope, etc., etc., etc..............

However, when faced with instructing us on how to best obey things like the 2nd command in 2 Timothy 2:15, those in the know (our teachers, priests, pastors, theologians, doctors, etc.), be they Catholic, Orthodox and/or Protestant, do not fail (at some point/in some way) to underscore the importance and necessity of "context" and "exegesis" (as two principal means of rightly dividing the word of God).

As JPII also said, "be especially attentive to the content and unity of the whole Scripture.” ~Catechism of the Catholic Church 112 (2nd Ed., p. 32). United States Catholic Conference.

I realize that this idea (of studying the Bible by lay Catholics) is a fairly new one, as I know people (personally .. who are still living today) who, for instance, were told as children in Sunday School by their priests things like this, "NEVER read that Book (the Bible), because Martin Luther sent millions of souls to Hell with it".

Still, since Bible Study is becoming a "thing" now in the CC, wouldn't looking into the best ways of doing it be a good idea?

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus is not “the way” According to those who insist that you cannot take scripture out of context!

There are only two words on the whole Bible that say specifically “Jesus is the way”!

It is only found in one part of one verse of one chapter of one book of scripture!

Thanks

I suppose in denying that Jesus is the way they incur the penalty of
2 Tim 2:12 but that was also taken out of context?

Where did Jesus get his way, truth, and life from? This isn't a trick question.

John 14
6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 8
40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

John 12
49I have not spoken on My own, but the Father who sent Me has commanded Me what to say and how to say it. 50And I know that His command leads to eternal life. So I speak exactly what the Father has told Me to say.”

 

[Papa Smurf]

Hello again @donadams, here is some additional/interesting information that you may find useful on the Lord Jesus being the very thing that He claimed to be, "the Way". First, from the (Catholic) Jerome Biblical Commentary (on John 14:6) we read,

6. Thomas’ question permits Jesus to utter one of his supreme affirmations, which combines in one sentence the most fundamental ideas that have been brought out in the Gospel. I am [see comment on 6:35] the way, the truth [see comments on 1:9; 1:14; 1:17], and the life [see comment on 1:4]: Through Christ one comes into the possession of the Father, which means the possession of truth and life. no one comes to the Father ~except~ through me: He is ~the only~ way. ~Brown, R. E., Fitzmyer, J. A., & Murphy, R. E., The Jerome Biblical commentary (Vol. 2, p. 453). Prentice-Hall.​

Then, from John Chrysostom, we read,

“I am the Way.” This is the proof of the, “No man cometh to the Father ~but by Me~”; and, “the Truth, and the Life,” of this, “that these things shall surely be.” “There is then no falsehood with Me, if I am ‘the Truth’; if I am ‘Life’ also, not even death shall be able to hinder you from coming to Me. Besides; if I am ‘the Way,’ ye will need none to lead you by the hand; if I am also ‘the Truth,’ My words are no falsehoods; if I am also ‘Life,’ though ye die ye shall obtain what I have told you.” Now His being “the Way,” they both understood and allowed, but the rest they knew not. They did not indeed venture to say what they knew not. Still they gained great consolation from His being “the Way.” “If,” saith He, “I have sole authority to bring to the Father, ye shall surely come thither; for ~neither is it possible to come by any other way.~” ~Homilies of St. John Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople, on the Gospel of St. John, excerpt.​

​

And from others concerning the Lord Jesus as "The (only) Way" to God the Father and eternal life,

A man cannot otherwise enter into the kingdom of God than by the name of His beloved Son. ~Hermas (c. 150), 2.48.​

​

There is no other [way] than this: to become acquainted with this Christ. ~Justin Martyr (c. 160), 1.217.​

​

It is impossible to reach the Father except by His Son Jesus Christ. ~Cyprian (c. 250), 5.508.​

​

We could go on and on if you'd like? Just kidding. I'll stop

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - well, just one more for good measure..................

Walk by Him as Man, and thou comest to God. By Him thou goest, to Him thou goest. Look not out for any way whereby to come to Him, besides Himself. For if He had not vouchsafed to be the Way, we should have always gone astray. He then became the Way Whereby thou shouldest come; I do not say to thee, seek the Way. The Way Itself hath come to thee, arise and walk. ​

​

~Augustine of Hippo. (1888). Sermons on Selected Lessons of the New Testament, excerpt.​

.​

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus is not “the way” According to those who insist that you cannot take scripture out of context!
There are only two words on the whole Bible that say specifically “Jesus is the way”!
It is only found in one part of one verse of one chapter of one book of scripture!
Thanks
I suppose in denying that Jesus is the way they incur the penalty of
2 Tim 2:12 but that was also taken out of context?

While the Old Testament contains prophecies and foreshadowing related to the coming Messiah, the language of Jesus being the "way" to salvation is more directly associated with the New Testament teachings, such as Jesus' statement in the Gospel of John (John 14:6): "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

In the Old Testament, you can find prophecies and typologies that point to the coming Messiah and the salvation he would bring. Some key passages include:

1. Isaiah 7:14: Prophecy about the virgin birth of the Messiah.
2. Isaiah 9:6: Describes the Messiah as the "Prince of Peace" and "Mighty God."
3. Micah 5:2: Foretells the Messiah's birthplace in Bethlehem.
4. Isaiah 53: Describes the suffering servant, which Christians interpret as a prophecy of the Messiah's sacrificial death.
5. Psalm 22: Contains elements that are seen as a foreshadowing of the crucifixion.
6. Genesis 3:15: The promise of a seed who will bruise the serpent's head, interpreted as a messianic prophecy.
7. Zechariah 9:9: Foretells the Messiah's entry into Jerusalem riding on a donkey.
8. Jeremiah 31:31-34: The promise of a new covenant, which Christians associate with the work of Jesus.
9. Malachi 3:1: Speaks of a messenger preparing the way for the Lord, interpreted as a precursor to the Messiah.
10. Psalm 2: Describes the Lord's anointed, the Messiah, who will rule the nations.

While these passages lay the foundation for understanding the Messiah in the Old Testament, the explicit language of Jesus as the "way" to salvation is more characteristic of New Testament teachings, particularly in the Gospels and the writings of the apostles.

However, the Old Testament does contain prophecies, types, and themes that Christians interpret as pointing to the redemptive work associated with Jesus, understanding that Jesus is the fulfillment of these prophetic promises. Here are some passages that are often considered to align with the idea that Yahweh is the source of salvation, anticipating the coming of Jesus:

1. Isaiah 43:11: "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."
2. Hosea 13:4: "But I have been the LORD your God ever since you came out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me."
3. Psalm 3:8: "From the LORD comes deliverance. May your blessing be on your people."
4. Psalm 68:20: "Our God is a God who saves; from the Sovereign LORD comes escape from death."
5. Isaiah 45:21: "Declare what is to be, present it—let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me."
6. Psalm 62:1: "Truly my soul finds rest in God; my salvation comes from him."
7. Isaiah 12:2: "Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD himself, is my strength and my defense; he has become my salvation."
8. Zephaniah 3:17: "The LORD your God is with you, the Mighty Warrior who saves. He will take great delight in you; in his love, he will no longer rebuke you but will rejoice over you with singing."
9. Psalm 27:1: "The LORD is my light and my salvation—whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life—of whom shall I be afraid?"
10. Isaiah 49:6: "He says: 'It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.'"

While these passages do not use the specific name "Jesus," in these passages are several declarations the anticipation of God's redemptive work that is fulfilled in the person and mission of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
So, "Jesus" a.k.a. "Yahweh" declares Himself countless times throughout the Old Testament as the [only] Way to salvation and Deliverance and Redemption.

Now, this is where you ignore these truths or stammer and stutter and make some cockamamie excuse to explain away this truthful and historical answer.

 

[makesends]

Jesus is not “the way” According to those who insist that you cannot take scripture out of context!

There are only two words on the whole Bible that say specifically “Jesus is the way”!

It is only found in one part of one verse of one chapter of one book of scripture!

Thanks

I suppose in denying that Jesus is the way they incur the penalty of
2 Tim 2:12 but that was also taken out of context?

Man! How much more confused can one's thinking get??? Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?

 

[donadams]

Hello Don, your reply should be addressed to this guy................

View attachment 694

.......Catholic apologist, Jimmy Akin, because everything in my last post (post #13) about the supreme importance of "context" when studying the Bible, are his words, not mine. Perhaps what he has to say would be worth considering because, as he said,

Context is king​

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf

2 Timothy 2​

15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.​

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That phrase a “workman” refers to an apostle not you or me!

Who made him and apostle?

I don’t care for modernists who preach the Vatican 2 cult
Thanks anyway

 

[donadams]

Is that the doctrine of Protestants? No it is not. That would make the accusation a lying accusation. Does the Catholic church condone that? Might you need to go confess before a human priest, do some penance, count the holy beads (idolatry), and have the man restore your perfect standing with God?

How would you know if I am stingy or not? Another lying accusation. Have you never heard of the thousands upon thousands of Protestant missionaries and missions, Protestant schools, Protestants preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ over all the earth? Protestant shelters, and soup kitchens. Protestant nurses and doctors and volunteers, feeding the hungry, assisting the poor, the countless Protestants who lend a helping hand where it is needed, serve in the military for God and country. All because it is in their hearts and the very counsel of God, the very way of God.

Did you not know that first great evangelical missions of preaching the gospel and helping those in need were begun by those Protestants coming out of the Reformation. All the Catholic church did prior to that was take, take, take, opres, opres, opres, persecute, persecute, persecute. So get your facts straight.

When was Saul saved in your estimation?

 

[donadams]

What about water representing the work of the unseen holy Spirit The doctrine of our one Holy Father .His Spirt does evaporate it as the water of the word works in us to both hear and empower us to do the will of our Father in heaven not your father in Rome as a daysman

Deuteronomy 32King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

If you can't see water represents the work of the Holy Spirit how will you effectively believe the gospel?

Is Jesus the way? Will you continue to mock it?

Jn 3:22

 

[donadams]

Christ's faith is never without testimony. Faith or Christ belief is a work that Christ works in us .His faith is never alone. " let there be" and the testimony was "God alone good"

Isaiah 8:20 To the law (let there be) and to the testimony: (it was good )if they speak not according to this (one ) word, it is because there is no light in them.

impossible to separate faith or belief of Christ from the works of Christ.A person end up with a chain of beads they call a rosary (Hail Holy Queen) needed to count how many time a person gives glory to the queen mother each day

No light in Catholicism. no fullness of grace it was exchanged for limbo for the little ones and Purgatory for the nature sinners

The holy rosary is Christian meditation:

Ask and you shall receive

Pray and watch that you not enter into temptation (grace is required)

Essential to the spiritual combat!

Parabellum: prepare for the spiritual warfare!

Onward Christian soldiers!

Christian meditation or mental prayer.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

The height of Christian meditation is the passion and death of Christ.

The agony in the garden:

The scourging at the pillar:
By His stripes we are healed.

The crowning with thorns.

The carrying of the cross.

Jesus dies on the cross.



Jesus takes all our sins upon Himself, and sheds His precious blood, we consecrate ourselves to His precious blood, the holy passion, His holy face, His holy wounds, by His stripes we are healed!

You don’t even have our devotions or doctrine correct, how can you even understand them?

 

[donadams]

Hello Don, your reply should be addressed to this guy................

View attachment 694

.......Catholic apologist, Jimmy Akin, because everything in my last post (post #13) about the supreme importance of "context" when studying the Bible, are his words, not mine. Perhaps what he has to say would be worth considering because, as he said,

Context is king​

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf

2 Timothy 2​

15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.​

.

You guys say “scripture alone”! Then you don’t accept or believe it! Why???

 

[Arial]

When was Saul saved in your estimation?

On the road to Damascus when he met Jesus. Why did you change the subject?

 

[donadams]

Neither are words like Sacerdotalism or Mediatrix or Eucharist or Pope, etc., etc., etc..............

However, when faced with instructing us on how to best obey things like the 2nd command in 2 Timothy 2:15, those in the know (our teachers, priests, pastors, theologians, doctors, etc.), be they Catholic, Orthodox and/or Protestant, do not fail (at some point/in some way) to underscore the importance and necessity of "context" and "exegesis" (as two principal means of rightly dividing the word of God).

As JPII also said, "be especially attentive to the content and unity of the whole Scripture.” ~Catechism of the Catholic Church 112 (2nd Ed., p. 32). United States Catholic Conference.

I realize that this idea (of studying the Bible by lay Catholics) is a fairly new one, as I know people (personally .. who are still living today) who, for instance, were told as children in Sunday School by their priests things like this, "NEVER read that Book (the Bible), because Martin Luther sent millions of souls to Hell with it".

Still, since Bible Study is becoming a "thing" now in the CC, wouldn't looking into the best ways of doing it be a good idea?

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
.

Are you sure? I see them in scripture

The “workman” refers to an apostle or bishop not you or me

We don’t have sunday school that’s a Protestant idea that’s not in the New Testament

Ccc not sure what that is! There is the catechism of the council of Trent!

Speaking of Trent was it not Luther who insisted the church call a council to decide on his novelties, and then did so and condemned them all? Then he started a new church to teach his new ideas

Even though the so-called reformers all defended the dogma’s of Mary!

Thanks

 

[donadams]

On the road to Damascus when he met Jesus. Why did you change the subject?

R U sure!

Philippians 1:19
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

What was the subject
What’s your question

 

[donadams]

Where did Jesus get his way, truth, and life from? This isn't a trick question.

John 14
6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 8
40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

John 12
49I have not spoken on My own, but the Father who sent Me has commanded Me what to say and how to say it. 50And I know that His command leads to eternal life. So I speak exactly what the Father has told Me to say.”

How can a mere man be the truth itself? Life itself?

 

[donadams]

Hello again @donadams, here is some additional/interesting information that you may find useful on the Lord Jesus being the very thing that He claimed to be, "the Way". First, from the (Catholic) Jerome Biblical Commentary (on John 14:6) we read,

6. Thomas’ question permits Jesus to utter one of his supreme affirmations, which combines in one sentence the most fundamental ideas that have been brought out in the Gospel. I am [see comment on 6:35] the way, the truth [see comments on 1:9; 1:14; 1:17], and the life [see comment on 1:4]: Through Christ one comes into the possession of the Father, which means the possession of truth and life. no one comes to the Father ~except~ through me: He is ~the only~ way. ~Brown, R. E., Fitzmyer, J. A., & Murphy, R. E., The Jerome Biblical commentary (Vol. 2, p. 453). Prentice-Hall.​

Then, from John Chrysostom, we read,

“I am the Way.” This is the proof of the, “No man cometh to the Father ~but by Me~”; and, “the Truth, and the Life,” of this, “that these things shall surely be.” “There is then no falsehood with Me, if I am ‘the Truth’; if I am ‘Life’ also, not even death shall be able to hinder you from coming to Me. Besides; if I am ‘the Way,’ ye will need none to lead you by the hand; if I am also ‘the Truth,’ My words are no falsehoods; if I am also ‘Life,’ though ye die ye shall obtain what I have told you.” Now His being “the Way,” they both understood and allowed, but the rest they knew not. They did not indeed venture to say what they knew not. Still they gained great consolation from His being “the Way.” “If,” saith He, “I have sole authority to bring to the Father, ye shall surely come thither; for ~neither is it possible to come by any other way.~” ~Homilies of St. John Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople, on the Gospel of St. John, excerpt.​

​

And from others concerning the Lord Jesus as "The (only) Way" to God the Father and eternal life,

A man cannot otherwise enter into the kingdom of God than by the name of His beloved Son. ~Hermas (c. 150), 2.48.​

​

There is no other [way] than this: to become acquainted with this Christ. ~Justin Martyr (c. 160), 1.217.​

​

It is impossible to reach the Father except by His Son Jesus Christ. ~Cyprian (c. 250), 5.508.​

​

We could go on and on if you'd like? Just kidding. I'll stop

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - well, just one more for good measure..................

Walk by Him as Man, and thou comest to God. By Him thou goest, to Him thou goest. Look not out for any way whereby to come to Him, besides Himself. For if He had not vouchsafed to be the Way, we should have always gone astray. He then became the Way Whereby thou shouldest come; I do not say to thee, seek the Way. The Way Itself hath come to thee, arise and walk. ​

​

~Augustine of Hippo. (1888). Sermons on Selected Lessons of the New Testament, excerpt.​

.​

I don’t have a problem with Christ! He is “the way” of course!

I have a problem with those who reject scripture “the inspired word of God” and the eternal words of Christ cos they are not in context?

How can a partial verse be in context is a whole verse is not in context?

What about a verse that’s not only not in context with the whole chapter but the whole book?

Example

1 Jn 5:21

 

[donadams]

While the Old Testament contains prophecies and foreshadowing related to the coming Messiah, the language of Jesus being the "way" to salvation is more directly associated with the New Testament teachings, such as Jesus' statement in the Gospel of John (John 14:6): "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

In the Old Testament, you can find prophecies and typologies that point to the coming Messiah and the salvation he would bring. Some key passages include:

1. Isaiah 7:14: Prophecy about the virgin birth of the Messiah.
2. Isaiah 9:6: Describes the Messiah as the "Prince of Peace" and "Mighty God."
3. Micah 5:2: Foretells the Messiah's birthplace in Bethlehem.
4. Isaiah 53: Describes the suffering servant, which Christians interpret as a prophecy of the Messiah's sacrificial death.
5. Psalm 22: Contains elements that are seen as a foreshadowing of the crucifixion.
6. Genesis 3:15: The promise of a seed who will bruise the serpent's head, interpreted as a messianic prophecy.
7. Zechariah 9:9: Foretells the Messiah's entry into Jerusalem riding on a donkey.
8. Jeremiah 31:31-34: The promise of a new covenant, which Christians associate with the work of Jesus.
9. Malachi 3:1: Speaks of a messenger preparing the way for the Lord, interpreted as a precursor to the Messiah.
10. Psalm 2: Describes the Lord's anointed, the Messiah, who will rule the nations.

While these passages lay the foundation for understanding the Messiah in the Old Testament, the explicit language of Jesus as the "way" to salvation is more characteristic of New Testament teachings, particularly in the Gospels and the writings of the apostles.

However, the Old Testament does contain prophecies, types, and themes that Christians interpret as pointing to the redemptive work associated with Jesus, understanding that Jesus is the fulfillment of these prophetic promises. Here are some passages that are often considered to align with the idea that Yahweh is the source of salvation, anticipating the coming of Jesus:

1. Isaiah 43:11: "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."
2. Hosea 13:4: "But I have been the LORD your God ever since you came out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me."
3. Psalm 3:8: "From the LORD comes deliverance. May your blessing be on your people."
4. Psalm 68:20: "Our God is a God who saves; from the Sovereign LORD comes escape from death."
5. Isaiah 45:21: "Declare what is to be, present it—let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me."
6. Psalm 62:1: "Truly my soul finds rest in God; my salvation comes from him."
7. Isaiah 12:2: "Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD himself, is my strength and my defense; he has become my salvation."
8. Zephaniah 3:17: "The LORD your God is with you, the Mighty Warrior who saves. He will take great delight in you; in his love, he will no longer rebuke you but will rejoice over you with singing."
9. Psalm 27:1: "The LORD is my light and my salvation—whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life—of whom shall I be afraid?"
10. Isaiah 49:6: "He says: 'It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.'"

While these passages do not use the specific name "Jesus," in these passages are several declarations the anticipation of God's redemptive work that is fulfilled in the person and mission of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
So, "Jesus" a.k.a. "Yahweh" declares Himself countless times throughout the Old Testament as the [only] Way to salvation and Deliverance and Redemption.

Now, this is where you ignore these truths or stammer and stutter and make some cockamamie excuse to explain away this truthful and historical answer.

I don’t have a problem with Christ! He is “the way” of course!

I have a problem with those who reject scripture “the inspired word of God” and the eternal words of Christ cos they are not in context?

How can a partial verse be in context is a whole verse is not in context?

What about a verse that’s not only not in context with the whole chapter but the whole book?

Example

1 Jn 5:21

 

[donadams]

Man! How much more confused can one's thinking get??? Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?

I don’t have a problem with Christ! He is “the way” of course!

I have a problem with those who reject scripture “the inspired word of God” and the eternal words of Christ cos they are not in context?

How can a partial verse be in context is a whole verse is not in context?

What about a verse that’s not only not in context with the whole chapter but the whole book?

Example

1 Jn 5:21

I don’t see any confusion

If a verse is not in context, how can a partial verse be context, simple question

 

[Arial]

R U sure!

Yup.

 

[donadams]

Yup.

Please explain

Philippians 1:19
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

And how this is “faith alone”!

 

[makesends]

I don’t have a problem with Christ! He is “the way” of course!

I have a problem with those who reject scripture “the inspired word of God” and the eternal words of Christ cos they are not in context?

How can a partial verse be in context is a whole verse is not in context?

What about a verse that’s not only not in context with the whole chapter but the whole book?

Example

1 Jn 5:21

I don’t see any confusion

If a verse is not in context, how can a partial verse be context, simple question

con·text
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Every word, phrase, sentence, verse, passage or book of the Bible comes within a context.
—BUT—
To quote it separates it out of its context.

When you quote the word, phrase, etc without reference or deference to its Biblical context, you are quoting it out-of-context.

When you remove it from its context without even intellectual deference or reference to the context it came in, you are using it out of context, and usually, running the huge risk of misinterpreting its meaning and intended use in Scripture.