Is the Spirit in everything?

[Carbon]

14 If he should set his heart to it
and gather to himself his spirit and his breath,
15 all flesh would perish together,
and man would return to dust.

Job 34:14-15

I believe the Spirit is in every form of life. In believers and un believers. Or it simply wouldnt exist.

Not to the same measure though. As it is a different measure from the saved, the unsaved and snimals.

Does this passaghes in Job teach ssomthing different?

 

[Marilyn C]

14 If he should set his heart to it
and gather to himself his spirit and his breath,
15 all flesh would perish together,
and man would return to dust.

Job 34:14-15

I believe the Spirit is in every form of life. In believers and un believers. Or it simply wouldnt exist.

Not to the same measure though. As it is a different measure from the saved, the unsaved and snimals.

Does this passaghes in Job teach ssomthing different?

I believe that the Holy Spirit is ONLY in believers in the Body of Christ. In the OT He came upon certain people but now since Christ ascended to the Father`s right hand, (Godhead) He has sent His Holy Spirit to make us like unto Himself.

As for the rest of mankind, animals and creation -

Christ upholds `all things by the word of His power.` (Heb. 1: 3)

 

[Carbon]

I believe that the Holy Spirit is ONLY in believers in the Body of Christ. In the OT He came upon certain people but now since Christ ascended to the Father`s right hand, (Godhead) He has sent His Holy Spirit to make us like unto Himself.

As for the rest of mankind, animals and creation -

Christ upholds `all things by the word of His power.` (Heb. 1: 3)

But it reads “all flesh.” Wouldn’t the rest of mankind and animals be of flesh?

 

[Marilyn C]

But it reads “all flesh.” Wouldn’t the rest of mankind and animals be of flesh?

But it doesn`t mean that God`s spirit is within them just that He is upholding it all.

 

[Carbon]

But it doesn`t mean that God`s spirit is within them just that He is upholding it all.

did you notice where it reads, “and gather to himself his spirit and his breath,“
??

 

[Marilyn C]

did you notice where it reads, “and gather to himself his spirit and his breath,“
??

Yes, God is omnipresent, meaning everywhere present, but not in everything.

 

[Carbon]

Yes, God is omnipresent, meaning everywhere present, but not in everything.

Well either He is or He isn’t. You can’t have both

 

[Marilyn C]

Well either He is or He isn’t. You can’t have both

Oh, I didn`t realise as you said - so I mean God`s Spirit is everywhere (place) but not IN everything. That would be new age thinking.

 

[Carbon]

Oh, I didn`t realise as you said - so I mean God`s Spirit is everywhere (place) but not IN everything. That would be new age thinking.

Not new age thinking at all.

 

[Marilyn C]

Not new age thinking at all.

So are you saying that God`s Spirit is in this computer, in the wood in our fire box, etc?

 

[Carbon]

So are you saying that God`s Spirit is in this computer, in the wood in our fire box, etc?

14 If he should set his heart to it
and gather to himself his spirit and his breath,
15 all flesh would perish together,
and man would return to dust.

Job 34:14-15 .............................

Nope. Why would I, scripture doesn't say that.

 

[Marilyn C]

14 If he should set his heart to it
and gather to himself his spirit and his breath,
15 all flesh would perish together,
and man would return to dust.

Job 34:14-15 .............................

Nope. Why would I, scripture doesn't say that.

So, you are just saying in the living things but not in the same measure. Sorry I misinterpreted what you said, or didn`t read close enough.

However, I still do not believe God`s Spirit is in unregenerate mankind in any measure. God`s breath was given to man, so that is `life,` which all have for a time.

 

[Carbon]

So, you are just saying in the living things but not in the same measure.

I believe so. Seems to make sense to me.

Sorry I misinterpreted what you said, or didn`t read close enough.

No worries sister.

However, I still do not believe God`s Spirit is in unregenerate mankind in any measure.

Okay

God`s breath was given to man, so that is `life,` which all have for a time.

Well, there ya go.

And God causes the rain to fall on both the good and the evil. Common grace.

 

[Carbon]

So, you are just saying in the living things but not in the same measure. Sorry I misinterpreted what you said, or didn`t read close enough.

However, I still do not believe God`s Spirit is in unregenerate mankind in any measure. God`s breath was given to man, so that is `life,` which all have for a time.

Thus says God, the Lord,
who created the heavens and stretched them out,
who spread out the earth and what comes from it,
who gives breath to the people on it
and spirit to those who walk in it: Isaiah 42:5.

 

[Carbon]

@Marilyn C

When you hide your face, they are dismayed;
when you take away their breath, they die
and return to their dust. Psalm 104:29.

 

[fastfredy0]

Job 34:14-15

I believe the Spirit is in every form of life. In believers and un believers. Or it simply wouldnt exist.

Not to the same measure though. As it is a different measure from the saved, the unsaved and snimals.

Does this passaghes in Job teach ssomthing different?

Agreed.
I might might make a semantical change... I would say the Spirit is in everything but to the SAME MEASURE. To be in various things to a different measure suggests a 'quantitative' change and the Spirit is immutable. Instead of "measure" I've heard it said that God is in everyone, but for varying purposes. For example, for those In Christ for example, He is there to 'benefit'. But, maybe that's what you meant by 'measure'.
Acts 17:28a, Colossians 1:17, Hebrews 1:3, Romans 11:36 are in the same vain as Job 34:14-15

Deism and or dualism is the alternative

 

[Marilyn C]

Thus says God, the Lord,
who created the heavens and stretched them out,
who spread out the earth and what comes from it,
who gives breath to the people on it
and spirit to those who walk in it: Isaiah 42:5.

You do find interesting scriptures.

Now I notice that the word `spirit` is not in capitals, so would you say that refers to man having a spirit, (soul and body) as different from an animal without a spirit.

 

[Marilyn C]

@Marilyn C

When you hide your face, they are dismayed;
when you take away their breath, they die
and return to their dust. Psalm 104:29.

I don`t think `breath` and `spirit` are the same. When man`s breath is taken away he dies, however he still has a spirit whether its alive or not to God.

 

[Carbon]

Agreed.
I might might make a semantical change... I would say the Spirit is in everything but to the SAME MEASURE. To be in various things to a different measure suggests a 'quantitative' change and the Spirit is immutable. Instead of "measure" I've heard it said that God is in everyone, but for varying purposes. For example, for those In Christ for example, He is there to 'benefit'. But, maybe that's what you meant by 'measure'.
Acts 17:28a, Colossians 1:17, Hebrews 1:3, Romans 11:36 are in the same vain as Job 34:14-15

Deism and or dualism is the alternative

To me, this is very deep. If someone would have asked me this, say, a couple yeas ago, I would have been like, "Are you out of your mind?"
But one thing I learn regularly is God is beyond us, His ways are unsearchable and unknowable, and we know about Him what is written in His word, nothing more. And to read a passage like the one in Job, Wow! It is truly amazing.

Look at it again:

14 If he should set his heart to it
and gather to himself his spirit and his breath,
15 all flesh would perish together,
and man would return to dust.

Job 34:14-15

It is utterly amazing! Unless someone comes up with a good sensible reason not to believe as I do here, it makes total sense to me and I do not believe I am off base and heading in the wrong direction.

Scripture teaches God is Almighty, He is the Creator and sustainer of the universe. So, why would or should we take this passage apart to make it mean something different? Consider it in its context.

 

[Carbon]

You do find interesting scriptures.

Now I notice that the word `spirit` is not in capitals, so would you say that refers to man having a spirit, (soul and body) as different from an animal without a spirit.

Caps were uncommon in the OT. So I don't think that matters. There is something different between a man and an animal, for sure.