Is Sound Doctrine Essential for Salvation?

[Hobie]

We have people that think that all they have to do is be a part of Christian church or show up once a week to listen to the preacher and they are good, no matter what they teach. And its clear that without a proper understanding of doctrine and a knowledge of the Gospel in God’s Word, faith can be sidetracked or weakened. Just look at how the Jews thought that the Messiah was going to set up a kingdom to overthrow the Roman rule, and it was so ingrained that it took a while to clear it from even the disciples views. I have come across denominations which just about every one of its churchs has a different idea of what doctrine they get from the Bible depending on the preacher, and so what end up happening is you just keep shifting till you find one that fits your lifestyle, with no real change. Is that what Jesus put forth. We see the most basic elements at the start of Christs ministry...

Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

So what is needed?

 

[Soyeong]

We have people that think that all they have to do is be a part of Christian church or show up once a week to listen to the preacher and they are good, no matter what they teach. And its clear that without a proper understanding of doctrine and a knowledge of the Gospel in God’s Word, faith can be sidetracked or weakened. Just look at how the Jews thought that the Messiah was going to set up a kingdom to overthrow the Roman rule, and it was so ingrained that it took a while to clear it from even the disciples views. I have come across denominations which just about every one of its churchs has a different idea of what doctrine they get from the Bible depending on the preacher, and so what end up happening is you just keep shifting till you find one that fits your lifestyle, with no real change. Is that what Jesus put forth. We see the most basic elements at the start of Christs ministry...

Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

So what is needed?

Indeed, in Proverbs 4:2, it defines sound doctrine and not forsaking the Torah, which is essentially for being saved from not forsaking it.

 

[fastfredy0]

Is Sound Doctrine Essential for Salvation?​

No.
Aside: "Sound Doctrine" is not defined and therefore subjective. Since faith saves and faith comes by hearing, "sound doctrine" to some extent is essential for salvation. The contents of what must be heard is the only part of all doctrine that is necessary for salvation.

Aside2: ... and then there is the 'age of accountability' hypothesis that, if true, requires no understanding of anything.

 

[CrowCross]

Is Sound Doctrine Essential for Salvation?​

That would depend if God saves us before or after we believe doctrine.

If God in the process of our salvation uses doctrine to save us then the doctrine will be true....as it is from God.

 

[A branch]

We have people that think that all they have to do is be a part of Christian church or show up once a week to listen to the preacher and they are good, no matter what they teach. And its clear that without a proper understanding of doctrine and a knowledge of the Gospel in God’s Word, faith can be sidetracked or weakened. Just look at how the Jews thought that the Messiah was going to set up a kingdom to overthrow the Roman rule, and it was so ingrained that it took a while to clear it from even the disciples views. I have come across denominations which just about every one of its churchs has a different idea of what doctrine they get from the Bible depending on the preacher, and so what end up happening is you just keep shifting till you find one that fits your lifestyle, with no real change. Is that what Jesus put forth. We see the most basic elements at the start of Christs ministry...

Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

So what is needed?

John 3
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Seems to me one is saved by believing on The Son not by the doctrine he usually learns after being saved. I would hope so because I believe
most are not taught the true New Covenant. Jesus in his own words brought the NEW Covenant in the New Testament. And later by the Apostles He Himslf taught. And I agree it began in Matt 4:17

 

[ReverendRV]

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is essential to Salvation...

And it IS Sound Doctrine...

 

[Mr GLee]

We have people that think that all they have to do is be a part of Christian church or show up once a week to listen to the preacher and they are good, no matter what they teach. And its clear that without a proper understanding of doctrine and a knowledge of the Gospel in God’s Word, faith can be sidetracked or weakened. Just look at how the Jews thought that the Messiah was going to set up a kingdom to overthrow the Roman rule, and it was so ingrained that it took a while to clear it from even the disciples views. I have come across denominations which just about every one of its churchs has a different idea of what doctrine they get from the Bible depending on the preacher, and so what end up happening is you just keep shifting till you find one that fits your lifestyle, with no real change. Is that what Jesus put forth. We see the most basic elements at the start of Christs ministry...

Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

So what is needed?

I would think we are saved by sound doctrine. It his doctrine that does save. If Christ has begun the good work of teaching us he will not give up .Some like me are slow learner .Its a good thing we are saved by whom we know. . he knows everything.

We preach his doctrines he teaches.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[ReverendRV]

I would think we are saved by sound doctrine. It his doctrine that does save. If Christ has begun the good work of teaching us he will not give up .Some like me are slow learner .Its a good thing we are saved by whom we know. . he knows everything.

We preach his doctrines he teaches.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

It's like, "We're Saved by Grace through Faith "; We're Saved by Christ through good Doctrine...

 

[EarlyActs]

We have people that think that all they have to do is be a part of Christian church or show up once a week to listen to the preacher and they are good, no matter what they teach. And its clear that without a proper understanding of doctrine and a knowledge of the Gospel in God’s Word, faith can be sidetracked or weakened. Just look at how the Jews thought that the Messiah was going to set up a kingdom to overthrow the Roman rule, and it was so ingrained that it took a while to clear it from even the disciples views. I have come across denominations which just about every one of its churchs has a different idea of what doctrine they get from the Bible depending on the preacher, and so what end up happening is you just keep shifting till you find one that fits your lifestyle, with no real change. Is that what Jesus put forth. We see the most basic elements at the start of Christs ministry...

Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

So what is needed?

What I find is that people who truly believe have wrestled with timeless issues and concluded where the Bible does. Sometimes they say God 'showed' them, perhaps without speech. You could even say that Romans 1-3 has some natural logic about it that is inescapable and is not true simply because it is in the Bible.

 

[Mr GLee]

What I find is that people who truly believe have wrestled with timeless issues and concluded where the Bible does. Sometimes they say God 'showed' them, perhaps without speech. You could even say that Romans 1-3 has some natural logic about it that is inescapable and is not true simply because it is in the Bible.

What is natural logic? Philosophy?

If that is what was meant It would to be we warned of that.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[ReverendRV]

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is essential to Salvation...

And it IS Sound Doctrine...

Bump...

 

[Mr GLee]

Bump...

Gospel as a doctrine? The one and only resounding good news doctrine. "Let there be" and the labor of His love or work of His faith "God was the good one"

 

[ReverendRV]

Gospel as a doctrine? The one and only resounding good news doctrine. "Let there be" and the labor of His love or work of His faith "God was the good one"

Yes, the Gospel is a Doctrine of the Bible...

 

[ReverendRV]

In Calvinism, Grace Logically goes before Faith; and this is Regeneration: I'm a 5-Point Calvinist. In Classical Arminianism, Grace Logically goes before Faith; and this is Illumination. In Provisionism, Faith Logically goes before Grace; and this is Responsive Grace by Prevenient Faith. ~ We are speaking of Cause and Effect. In both Arminianism and Calvinism, Grace is Causal because it is Prevenient in the Logical Order; but our Faith is not produced by Grace: Faith is produced by the Born Again Will of the Believer. Since we ARE speaking about the Law of Cause and Effect, it's true that for every Action there is an equal and opposite Reaction. This means that in Provisionism, Grace is the Reaction of Faith; a Reaction due to a Cause is a Merited result of the Actions of an Agent with Agency. ~ But Leighton Flowers says the Gospel is the Grace of God, so we are back to Faith being a Reaction of Grace. Therefore Provisionism is a foot in the door, for Arminianism and Calvinism to be correct. ~ Jesus said you must be Born Again to ENTER the Kingdom of God, and I say we enter the Kingdom through Faith. Therefore we must be Born Again to enter through Faith...

 

[Mr GLee]

In Calvinism, Grace Logically goes before Faith; and this is Regeneration: I'm a 5-Point Calvinist. In Classical Arminianism, Grace Logically goes before Faith; and this is Illumination. In Provisionism, Faith Logically goes before Grace; and this is Responsive Grace by Prevenient Faith. ~ We are speaking of Cause and Effect. In both Arminianism and Calvinism, Grace is Causal because it is Prevenient in the Logical Order; but our Faith is not produced by Grace: Faith is produced by the Born Again Will of the Believer. Since we ARE speaking about the Law of Cause and Effect, it's true that for every Action there is an equal and opposite Reaction. This means that in Provisionism, Grace is the Reaction of Faith; a Reaction due to a Cause is a Merited result of the Actions of an Agent with Agency. ~ But Leighton Flowers says the Gospel is the Grace of God, so we are back to Faith being a Reaction of Grace. Therefore Provisionism is a foot in the door, for Arminianism and Calvinism to be correct. ~ Jesus said you must be Born Again to ENTER the Kingdom of God, and I say we enter the Kingdom through Faith. Therefore we must be Born Again to enter through Faith...

It can become confusing. God's Faith as a labor of God's love provides grace the reward of His works.

Faith is a work of God

The law of faith. . .God faithful Creator declared his will "let there be" and the testimony to the reward grace "it was very good"

Faith is a work of God revealing to us his unseen understanding.

Roman3: 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

 

[ReverendRV]

It can become confusing. God's Faith as a labor of God's love provides grace the reward of His works.

Faith is a work of God

The law of faith. . .God faithful Creator declared his will "let there be" and the testimony to the reward grace "it was very good"

Faith is a work of God revealing to us his unseen understanding.

Roman3: 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

What about Faith as in Trust? Would you say Faith is produced by the Born Again Will?

 

[Mr GLee]

What about Faith as in Trust? Would you say Faith is produced by the Born Again Will?

The faith of Christ is the will of God ."Let there be" and the "testimony was God alone good ". Trust is a living hoping that works in us of God not seen teaching us he alone is good. In that way we trust in his mercy

 

[ReverendRV]

The faith of Christ is the will of God ."Let there be" and the "testimony was God alone good ". Trust is a living hoping that works in us of God not seen teaching us he alone is good. In that way we trust in his mercy

You are so confusing...

Faith is Human Trust in God, right?

 

[Mr GLee]

You are so confusing...

Sorry.

The mystery word faith can be confusing.

The mystery of faith the unseen things of God hidden from the faithless world

Does God have faith? If he does, does the work as his reward produce grace?

Faith of God Not us the faithless we have none that could please Him

(Purple my addition)

Hebrew 11:1-4 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it (Christ's labor of love) the elders obtained a good report. Through faith (Christ's) we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Another example of the faith of God in Christ. James 2 begins given it as a loving warning to those to who blaspheme the power of our unseen eternal God. again, the word faith as the power of God in not in respect to the dying flesh of men
James 2:2King James Version My brethren, have not the faith of (coming from) our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. (Faithless)

James 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?


17 Even so faith,(Chrsits) if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

James 2:21-26 Was not Abraham our father justified by works,(Christ) when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works ,(Christ)was faith made perfect?And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith (Christ) without works is dead also

Then it can be reconciled to Ephesians 2 the faith of Christ is not alone it produces sdalavation. Not of the faithless we are his work of art not him ours.

 

[CrowCross]

We have people that think that all they have to do is be a part of Christian church or show up once a week to listen to the preacher and they are good, no matter what they teach. And its clear that without a proper understanding of doctrine and a knowledge of the Gospel in God’s Word, faith can be sidetracked or weakened. Just look at how the Jews thought that the Messiah was going to set up a kingdom to overthrow the Roman rule, and it was so ingrained that it took a while to clear it from even the disciples views. I have come across denominations which just about every one of its churchs has a different idea of what doctrine they get from the Bible depending on the preacher, and so what end up happening is you just keep shifting till you find one that fits your lifestyle, with no real change. Is that what Jesus put forth. We see the most basic elements at the start of Christs ministry...

Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

So what is needed?

So what is needed? John 3:16.