Is Double Predestination Biblical?

[Hazelelponi]

What you mean what ? Read his comment and read mine

I believe it's a reference to the ressurection of our Lord and Savior.

 

[makesends]

Rescued One said:
What a glorious day to celebrate our blessing of eternal life in Jesus! HE IS RISEN!
brightfame52 said:
Exactly what does that mean ? He has risen ? Care to elaborate?

What you mean what ? Read his comment and read mine

You asked him to be clear, yet you yourself were not clear: Are you asking him to elaborate on the fact of the resurrection? Are you trying to point out that he made a mistaken use of the verb tense in "is risen" as opposed to "has risen"? What are you trying to do in that post?

 

[Hazelelponi]

mistaken use of the verb tense in "is risen" as opposed to "has risen"?

There's no error in verb is there?

Jesus said: "I AM the resurection and the Life." John 11:25

I believe we can use IS as easily as has, it's actually easier for me to think in terms of is, as has seems something past, and Jesus is the Life, thereby continues on in the perfect tense.

Of course, in that moment the has was the more relevant tense, but now I believe is to be most fitting.

 

[brightfame52]

I believe it's a reference to the ressurection of our Lord and Savior.

Yes it is, but it testified of something, you know what it is ?

 

[Rescued One]

I am a woman for those of you who don't know what a widow is.

JESUS is our risen Savior; He's not in the grave.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yes it is, but it testified of something, you know what it is ?

That Jesus Christ rose from the dead?

 

[brightfame52]

That Jesus Christ rose from the dead?

Yeah, but it signified that those for whom sins He died, when He was raised again, it was for/because of their Justification, it testified of their Justification legally before God Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

 

[makesends]

I am a woman for those of you who don't know what a widow is.

I was just going with the flow. I knew you were not a he

JESUS is our risen Savior; He's not in the grave.

Amen, and, as the Greek shows, in Matthew 28, IS RISEN is the better rendering over HAS RISEN, being a passive verb.

There's no error in verb is there?

Jesus said: "I AM the resurection and the Life." John 11:25

I believe we can use IS as easily as has, it's actually easier for me to think in terms of is, as has seems something past, and Jesus is the Life, thereby continues on in the perfect tense.

Of course, in that moment the has was the more relevant tense, but now I believe is to be most fitting.

Truth is, grammatically there is nothing wrong with it either way, but "IS risen" means that he was (past tense, and passsive) raised from the dead, which form intends that as a result, he remains (present tense) risen. I personally prefer "IS risen", and, as it turns out, that is the announcement of the angel to the women at the tomb. "HAS risen" is active, past perfect, implying not that God raised him from the dead, but that he raised himself. And that too is legitimate, in that Jesus said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

But I don't know if that is what @brightfame52 was asking clarity on or not.

 

[Hazelelponi]

"HAS risen" is active, past perfect, implying not that God raised him from the dead, but that he raised himself. And that too is legitimate, in that Jesus said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

But I don't know if that is what @brightfame52 was asking clarity on or not.

Don't you just love teaching me grammar? I am sorry I have weakness in this area, I actually hadn't thought my grammar particularly poor until becoming Christian. Now I realize some of what I didn't bother retaining might have been important to retain

But Jesus did say He had authority (command/authority from God the Father) to lay down His Life and take it back up again:

"For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” John 10:17-18

Authority from God the Father to God the Son is still God...

But grammar wasn't the concern of @brightfame52, seems that concern was to note why the resurrection was of particular importance to us... (Our justification is confirmed in the resurrection).

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Scripture does tell us of believers that do fall away, are cut off, apostatize, are blotted out, are kicked out of the kingdom, etc.

No

it tells us of make believers who fell away. And as in the case of hebrews It tells us if a person could fall away. they could not be renewed to repentance

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Was the covenant make not said to be everlasting???

LAND

not SALVATION.

 

[Tambora]

We should be careful to understand the context of those statement. Interpreted on an island, they can say just about anything.

Agreed.

Yes, Tambora, but that's a double edged sword, because it also says that he was the only one that this happened to, to fulfill scripture. So you would have to conceded that this only happened to Judas as that passage states.

Why would it not only apply to the 12???
Or did God only choose 12 to follow the Son and no others???

 

[Dave]

Why would it not only apply to the 12???
Or did God only choose 12 to follow the Son and no others???

@Tambora

You seemed to be using that passage in a bigger context. I can see know that you may not have meant it that way. I would look at David in the Psalms passage as something like a fleshly prayer. Something like Lord take their physical lives (book of living) so that they can't repent and be saved (book of life). I think it's from a mans perspective. I believe, if I recall correctly, David later repents from that viewpoint.

The book of life. I'm not sure that Judas was ever in it. Interesting question, though. There is a passage in Luke 10:20, I believe when Jesus was addressing the seventy and said something to the effect that their names are written in heaven. Is that book of life? I honestly don't. But that passage could be taken as a general statement. These two passages below in Luke seem to support the idea of perseverance being the evidence of a genuine faith from 1 John 2:19.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
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Luke 22:21-22 But behold, the hand of My betrayer is with Me on the table. And truly the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!"

Luke 22: 28-30 But you are those who have continued with Me in My trials. And I bestow upon you a kingdom, just as My Father bestowed one upon Me, that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
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The significance of the Seal, as God calls our receiving of the Holy Spirit in the NT, is that only that one who made it can break it. Remember, Jesus is the Author, and Finisher of our faith. He could not be the Finisher if we could lose it. And the Seal, God Promise, would be broken by us, which I don't believe can happen. If someone backs away from their faith, permanently, then they only manifested that they never had it. Let me know what you think.

Dave