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In all the religious clutter of disputes and arguments, what are the only essential doctrines of salvation?

donadams said:
Only those united to Christ the mediator by faith and baptism are in the new covenant and have the possibility of eternal salvation
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Now that almost sound correct. But it isn't because what you mean as a Catholic, and have demonstrated through countless posts, is that the Catholic church, her infant baptism, her sacraments and traditions, her mass, her priests, are the only mediators that place one in Christ.IOW the Catholic church mediates between Christ and man.
 
Mercy_Shown said:
I assume then that the same applies to Catholics. Thus we have the body of Christ hidden.
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Nope our beliefs and practices are well known, besides i
How can a mountain be hidden?

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
 
Mercy_Shown said:
1John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Eternal life (the life of God n us by His grace) not eternal salvation
And grace can be lost! Gal 5:4
 
Arial said:
Now that almost sound correct. But it isn't because what you mean as a Catholic, and have demonstrated through countless posts, is that the Catholic church, her infant baptism, her sacraments and traditions, her mass, her priests, are the only mediators that place one in Christ.IOW the Catholic church mediates between Christ and man.
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Christ and His church are one! Yes! Acts 9;4 eph 5:32 prove it!
Also Jn 15:5 eph 5:24
 
donadams said:
Christ and His church are one! Yes! Acts 9;4 eph 5:32 prove it!
Also Jn 15:5 eph 5:24
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You have only shown that Christ and His church are one. What you have not said is that everytime you use "church" you mean the Catholic denomination as the one true church of Christ. And though you have been asked on many occasions to prove this you have not. You only quote more scriptures that the Catholic religion has interpreted to be about them, and announce all their interpretations the only correct one, giving themselves the single authority of scripture interpretation. In other words, the Catholic religion is the only witness to its position as the one true church of Christ. It won't stand up in the court of God as a valid witness.
 
Arial said:
You have only shown that Christ and His church are one. What you have not said is that everytime you use "church" you mean the Catholic denomination as the one true church of Christ. And though you have been asked on many occasions to prove this you have not. You only quote more scriptures that the Catholic religion has interpreted to be about them, and announce all their interpretations the only correct one, giving themselves the single authority of scripture interpretation. In other words, the Catholic religion is the only witness to its position as the one true church of Christ. It won't stand up in the court of God as a valid witness.
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Catholic comes from the Greek for universal
Jn 10:16 Lk 2:10 Jn 3:16 Jn 1:29 all universal catholic
Who has the keys of jurisdictional authority?
 
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Rev 21: 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Gal 4:26 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Holy mother church!
 
donadams said:
Eternal life (the life of God n us by His grace) not eternal salvation
And grace can be lost! Gal 5:4
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Now this is the biggest twist to a plain text that I have ever seen. Really amazing, but I think I will stick with what Saint John actually wrote. Gal 5:4 says that we fall away from Grace by doing works for salvation. We don't lose it as in it being taken away from us. We let go of it and fall.

This is at odds with some Christian churches' teachings. They teach that it is Grace plus good works. I am sure that Catholics do not teach such things. But the question is, are those who are saved by Grace in the first place. If I left the impression that one can never lose fall away, I apologize for as long as we have a free choice in the matter, we can choose to let go of Grace
 
Mercy_Shown said:
They teach that it is Grace plus good works. I am sure that Catholics do not teach such things.
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The Catholic denomination teaches exactly that. They teach grace plus the Catholic church, penance, mass, their priests, their Pope, Hail Mary's, Mary, their communion, prayer to their saints, deeds of charity, etc.
 
Arial said:
The Catholic denomination teaches exactly that. They teach grace plus the Catholic church, penance, mass, their priests, their Pope, Hail Mary's, Mary, their communion, prayer to their saints, deeds of charity, etc.
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I’m aware. I am just going by what they claim.
 
donadams said:
Eternal life (the life of God n us by His grace) not eternal salvation
And grace can be lost! Gal 5:4
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If unmerited favor (no work on our behalf) is not of us but works in us . How could it be lost? I don't think God gets lost .He infallibly informs us if he has begun the good teaching work in us he will finish till one takes thier last breath of oxygen then our bodies return to dust

As a slow learner he is my eternal confidence

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
 
Mr GLee said:
Hidden?
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The hidden body of Christ resides among all denominations and churches and is comprised of those whom have heeded God's call, election and choosing for redemption. Those who rely on, adhere to and cling to Jesus Christ and by faith accept His righteousness for their own. Those who know him and are known of Him. At some point they will be led out of the confusion that now exists following the lamb where ever he leads.
 
Mercy_Shown said:
Now this is the biggest twist to a plain text that I have ever seen. Really amazing, but I think I will stick with what Saint John actually wrote. Gal 5:4 says that we fall away from Grace by doing works for salvation. We don't lose it as in it being taken away from us. We let go of it and fall.

This is at odds with some Christian churches' teachings. They teach that it is Grace plus good works. I am sure that Catholics do not teach such things. But the question is, are those who are saved by Grace in the first place. If I left the impression that one can never lose fall away, I apologize for as long as we have a free choice in the matter, we can choose to let go of Grace
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Gal 5:4 just an example of the possibility just as Judas fell from grace
Sin causes the loss of grace.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul is speaking to Christians!

Thks
 
Mr GLee said:
If unmerited favor (no work on our behalf) is not of us but works in us . How could it be lost? I don't think God gets lost .He infallibly informs us if he has begun the good teaching work in us he will finish till one takes thier last breath of oxygen then our bodies return to dust

As a slow learner he is my eternal confidence

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
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Gal 5:4 just an example of the possibility just as Judas fell from grace
Sin causes the loss of grace.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul is speaking to Christians!
 
donadams said:
Gal 5:4 just an example of the possibility just as Judas fell from grace
Sin causes the loss of grace.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul is speaking to Christians!

Thks
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Can't fall from grace (unmerited favor) it's what hold us up. The work of Christ labor of love is not of our own self We are saved by His faith that provides his grace the unseen understanding .He is the Master artist not us the clay
 
Mr GLee said:
Can't fall from grace (unmerited favor) it's what hold us up. The work of Christ labor of love is not of our own self We are saved by His faith that provides his grace the unseen understanding .He is the Master artist not us the clay
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We have free will to choose God or sin!
Grave sin “MUST” separate us from God or God would be involved in our guilt!
 
donadams said:
Gal 5:4 just an example of the possibility just as Judas fell from grace
Sin causes the loss of grace.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul is speaking to Christians!

Thks
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That is an assumption which is doubtful.
 
Mercy_Shown said:
That is an assumption which is doubtful.
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Where does it guarantee your perseverance? We are commanded to abide in Christ Jn 15:4 but have free will not too.

A drunkard who has faith in Christ is saved??? How?

Pride is vice and sin, humility of virtue, the publican went away justified.

Go and sun no more! Why bother? If your quote “saved”, and cannot lose it who cares?

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing

(Sin unto death! Death separation from God)

1 Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
 
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