In all the religious clutter of disputes and arguments, what are the only essential doctrines of salvation?

[makesends]

Where does it guarantee your perseverance? We are commanded to abide in Christ Jn 15:4 but have free will not too.

A drunkard who has faith in Christ is saved??? How?

Pride is vice and sin, humility of virtue, the publican went away justified.

Go and sun no more! Why bother? If your quote “saved”, and cannot lose it who cares?

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing

(Sin unto death! Death separation from God)

1 Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

The bed is too short. The blanket too narrow.

 

[donadams]

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is touching him not.

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keeping yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

 

[donadams]

The bed is too short. The blanket too narrow.

???

 

[makesends]

???

Isaiah 28

18 Your covenant with death will be annulled;
your agreement with the realm of the dead will not stand.
When the overwhelming scourge sweeps by,
you will be beaten down by it.
19 As often as it comes it will carry you away;
morning after morning, by day and by night,
it will sweep through.”

The understanding of this message
will bring sheer terror.
20 The bed is too short to stretch out on,
the blanket too narrow to wrap around you.

 

[donadams]

Are we allowed to ignore divine revelation cos we think by our private judgement that it not “essential”???

 

[donadams]

The bed is too short. The blanket too narrow.

In Christ or for Christ or both?
We must be united to Christ by faith & baptism and filled with His powerful Spirit & grace our actions are salutary, meritorious, and beneficial to others spiritual needs, for we are in Christ but also for Christ, for Christ’s sake with is the salvation of souls.

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ we can do nothing
“SALUTARY & MERITORIOUS!

So the opposite is also true with Christ united to His Spirit & grace we can do all things, both meritorious & salutary!
Bear Fruit!

All glory Unto God for it by Him and His Spirit & Grace that we can do good works!

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Phil 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

[makesends]

makesends said:
The bed is too short. The blanket too narrow.

In Christ or for Christ or both?

What? What has this to do with my comment?

We must be united to Christ by faith & baptism and filled with His powerful Spirit & grace our actions are salutary, meritorious, and beneficial to others spiritual needs, for we are in Christ but also for Christ, for Christ’s sake with is the salvation of souls.

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ we can do nothing
“SALUTARY & MERITORIOUS!

So the opposite is also true with Christ united to His Spirit & grace we can do all things, both meritorious & salutary!
Bear Fruit!

All glory Unto God for it by Him and His Spirit & Grace that we can do good works!

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Phil 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Where do you come up with this 'Salutary and Meritorious' stuff? Why add to scripture? John 15:5 says nothing about "SALUTARY & MERITORIOUS!". What are you going on about?

 

[makesends]

makesends said:
The bed is too short. The blanket too narrow.

In Christ or for Christ or both?

What? What has this to do with my comment?

We must be united to Christ by faith & baptism and filled with His powerful Spirit & grace our actions are salutary, meritorious, and beneficial to others spiritual needs, for we are in Christ but also for Christ, for Christ’s sake with is the salvation of souls.

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ we can do nothing
“SALUTARY & MERITORIOUS!

So the opposite is also true with Christ united to His Spirit & grace we can do all things, both meritorious & salutary!
Bear Fruit!

All glory Unto God for it by Him and His Spirit & Grace that we can do good works!

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Phil 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Where do you come up with this 'Salutary and Meritorious' stuff? Why add to scripture? John 15:5 says nothing about "SALUTARY & MERITORIOUS!". What are you going on about?

Are we allowed to ignore divine revelation cos we think by our private judgement that it not “essential”???

Can you show what you are referring to? Who is talking about any scripture not being "essential"?

 

[Mr GLee]

In Christ or for Christ or both?
We must be united to Christ by faith & baptism and filled with His powerful Spirit & grace our actions are salutary, meritorious, and beneficial to others spiritual needs, for we are in Christ but also for Christ, for Christ’s sake with is the salvation of souls.

How would that solve the problem of Limbo. . . endless sufferings?

I would say both working in us giving us His power to believe and move us according to it . Both to will and to do (Philipian 2:13)

Philippians 3:9-10King James Version And be found in him, (Christ the invisible head). not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith (labor of love.): That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Found in him by the labor of his love or a work of the faith of Christ. Not of dying mankind .He calls. . . no faith not little none . He calls us little faith giving us a portion of his Spirit that he pours out on mankind His faith is never without his labor of love. .

1 Thessalonians 1:2-4King James Version We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

 

[donadams]

makesends said:
The bed is too short. The blanket too narrow.

What? What has this to do with my comment?

Where do you come up with this 'Salutary and Meritorious' stuff? Why add to scripture? John 15:5 says nothing about "SALUTARY & MERITORIOUS!". What are you going on about?

Are you too lazy to use a dictionary?

Obviously you can do things apart from Christ and His grace, but they will not be to any good, any virtue, or merit in God’s eyes.

Salutary: producing good effects; beneficial.
Meritorious: deserving reward or praise.

Especially a good that has eternal consequences or blessing!

 

[donadams]

makesends said:
The bed is too short. The blanket too narrow.

What? What has this to do with my comment?


Where do you come up with this 'Salutary and Meritorious' stuff? Why add to scripture? John 15:5 says nothing about "SALUTARY & MERITORIOUS!". What are you going on about?


Can you show what you are referring to? Who is talking about any scripture not being "essential"?

Nothing to do with your comments

 

[donadams]

How would that solve the problem of Limbo. . . endless sufferings?

I would say both working in us giving us His power to believe and move us according to it . Both to will and to do (Philipian 2:13)

Philippians 3:9-10King James Version And be found in him, (Christ the invisible head). not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith (labor of love.): That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Found in him by the labor of his love or a work of the faith of Christ. Not of dying mankind .He calls. . . no faith not little none . He calls us little faith giving us a portion of his Spirit that he pours out on mankind His faith is never without his labor of love. .

1 Thessalonians 1:2-4King James Version We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

No such thing as limbo endless suffering!
Our understanding of what happens to infants who die without baptism is in limbo!

 

[Mr GLee]

No such thing as limbo endless suffering!
Our understanding of what happens to infants who die without baptism is in limbo!

When do the little ones in Limbo become mature enough to suffer and wonder in Purgatory? Do they transfer over? What age ?

 

[makesends]

Are you too lazy to use a dictionary?

Obviously you can do things apart from Christ and His grace, but they will not be to any good, any virtue, or merit in God’s eyes.

Salutary: producing good effects; beneficial.
Meritorious: deserving reward or praise.

Especially a good that has eternal consequences or blessing!

No. Too little interest. Ever since you left the authority of the Scriptures, I really don't care anymore, except to point out your need to add to what is written.

 

[Mr GLee]

Are you too lazy to use a dictionary?

Obviously you can do things apart from Christ and His grace, but they will not be to any good, any virtue, or merit in God’s eyes.

Salutary: producing good effects; beneficial.
Meritorious: deserving reward or praise.

Especially a good that has eternal consequences or blessing!

Is sufferings wondering in Limbo with no end in sight part of His grace ?

Why is his grace not efficient to pay the full wage?

How much grace according to his labor of love is needed to exit Limbo or purgatory for the more mature sinner ?

How much grace does the mysterious queen of heaven receive . . enough to pay the full price of salvation ?

Or like every one else a remnant unknown causing doubt and not faith

 

[donadams]

No. Too little interest. Ever since you left the authority of the Scriptures, I really don't care anymore, except to point out your need to add to what is written.

Scripture is the only authority!

Is that your bag?

Truth of divine revelation is communicated in many ways!

By the heavens: Ps 19:1
By the Father: Matt 16:17
By Christ in person: Matt 5:2 Mk 1:21-22 Lk 5:3 Jn 3:16
By the Holy Spirit: 1 Tim 4:1
By the call of God: Gen 12:1
By the burning bush: Ex 3:2
By Sacred Scripture: Lk 24:32
By Sacred Tradition: 2 thes 2:15
By the apostles preaching the word:
Acts 8:4 Acts 8:35
By Christ’s command that the apostolic churches teaches all men unto eternal salvation:
Matt 28:19
By the Angels: Ex 3:2 Matt 1:20
Lk 1:28 Acts 8:26
By dreams: Matt 1:20
By visions: Acts 19:17
By unknown means: Lk 3:2
By preaching of John the Baptist: Lk 3:3-5

Not by “Scripture alone”!

Scripture? Yes
Scripture alone? No!
Scripture & Tradition? Yes

Thks

 

[Mr GLee]

Truth of divine revelation is communicated in many ways!

By the heavens: Ps 19:1
By the Father: Matt 16:17
By Christ in person: Matt 5:2 Mk 1:21-22 Lk 5:3 Jn 3:16
By the Holy Spirit: 1 Tim 4:1
By the call of God: Gen 12:1
By the burning bush: Ex 3:2
By Sacred Scripture: Lk 24:32
By Sacred Tradition: 2 thes 2:15
By the apostles preaching the word:
Acts 8:4 Acts 8:35
By Christ’s command that the apostolic churches teaches all men unto eternal salvation:
Matt 28:19
By the Angels: Ex 3:2 Matt 1:20
Lk 1:28 Acts 8:26
By dreams: Matt 1:20
By visions: Acts 19:17
By unknown means: Lk 3:2
By preaching of John the Baptist: Lk 3:3-5

Yet you use sola scriptura to try and prove your point. of not scriptura alone.

None of those things said in those verses were not moved by the invisible head our Holy Father. to say what was on his mind .Not the mind of the apostles dying mankind

And he does not Call his word sacred tradition of dying mankind .

The apostles preached the word, the unseen eternal will of Holy Father . .our one good teaching master as Lord

 

[donadams]

Scripture yea!
Scripture alone na!

I conform to scripture alone for your benefit. Charity covers a multitude of sins!

 

[Mr GLee]

Scripture yea!
Scripture alone na!

I conform to scripture alone for your benefit. Charity covers a multitude of sins!

There is no defense against "sola scriptura" all things writen in the law and prophets .And that includes the Catholic writen law (CCC) that does teach oral traditons are divinely inspired and not earthly of the devil .

The Catholic source of faith (CCC)as it is written is that you are trying to sell as if the gospel,

Paragraph 80 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are closely connected and communicate with each other. Both flow from the same divine source, and together form one thing and work towards the same goal. They both make the mystery of Christ present and fruitful in the Church, and Christ promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age"

Looks like sola scriptura proves you have the heresy according to your book of law (CCC)

Since no one can serve two written laws as masters. its easy to see. Catholics must usurp the invisible head as our one Holy Father

He alone is eternal God . The Holy Father the invisible head lovingly commands us to call no man Holy Father of earth . Yet alone 3500 and rising patron saints as disembodied workers with a familiar spirit gods

Acts 24: 13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
not worship a legion of father as if they were the one God

Amen,

Holy Fathers, dying mankind on earth no way,

It would appear you are studying the wrong book of law (CCC) by it you clearly seek the approvals of men and make that commanded without efect ad you must with other commandment of the unseen head .

Will you obey the living word today as loving commanded .or are his commandments to be burdensome? ?

2 Timothy 2: 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, (not the Pope) a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (Not the "CCC" Catholic law ) But shun profane and vain babblings: (oral traditons of dying mankind ) for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

 

[donadams]

There is no defense against "sola scriptura" all things writen in the law and prophets .And that includes the Catholic writen law (CCC) that does teach oral traditons are divinely inspired and not earthly of the devil .

The Catholic source of faith (CCC)as it is written is that you are trying to sell as if the gospel,

Paragraph 80 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are closely connected and communicate with each other. Both flow from the same divine source, and together form one thing and work towards the same goal. They both make the mystery of Christ present and fruitful in the Church, and Christ promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age"

Looks like sola scriptura proves you have the heresy according to your book of law (CCC)

Since no one can serve two written laws as masters. its easy to see. Catholics must usurp the invisible head as our one Holy Father

He alone is eternal God . The Holy Father the invisible head lovingly commands us to call no man Holy Father of earth . Yet alone 3500 and rising patron saints as disembodied workers with a familiar spirit gods

Acts 24: 13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
not worship a legion of father as if they were the one God

Amen,

Holy Fathers, dying mankind on earth no way,

It would appear you are studying the wrong book of law (CCC) by it you clearly seek the approvals of men and make that commanded without efect ad you must with other commandment of the unseen head .

Will you obey the living word today as loving commanded .or are his commandments to be burdensome? ?

2 Timothy 2: 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, (not the Pope) a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (Not the "CCC" Catholic law ) But shun profane and vain babblings: (oral traditons of dying mankind ) for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Acts 1:8 “my witnesses”!