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Imputation/Justification and the Blood of Jesus

If the blood is not used metaphorically or symbolically then is it thought to be spoken of literally?
So our consciences are cleansed by a metaphor or symbol?

Hebrews 9:14 ESV
how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
 
@prism, let me also suggest one more clarification/definition perhaps we can all agree to and use. The term "extra nos" translates as "outside of us," but that is not about physical geography. It's ontological, not geographical. It can mean outside of our physicality, but it also means outside our physical, psychological, cognitive, volitional, etc. ability. For example, that the Holy Spirit works in us and through us does not mean the Holy Spirit and His work are physically outside of us. The internal work is not work we do. Even though the Holy Spirit resides in us that work is not our own; it is extra nos. The internal work of the Holy Spirit is external to our ability.

I would argue similar conditions exist for other terms broached i this thread. Justification by Christ's blood may be something occurring "inside" us but it is not something we do. The internal work or internal effect is external; it is extra nos. Both blood and justification may be both external and internal but that which is internal is extra nos wherever it is work done by God. That which is inside us is outside of us :unsure::cautious:;).
Thank you
 
What do you think of the definitions of imputation and justification I provided? Do you feel comfortable using them? Would you like me to explain and scripturally justify (pun intended ;)) their use?
They're fine/ it's up to you.
I was hoping to read the dialogue of other participants. Like I said I don't have much to add except questions. (I gave you one in #21)
 
So our consciences are cleansed by a metaphor or symbol?

Hebrews 9:14 ESV
how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
IMO the shedding of blood represents the life of the one shedding it. "The life is in the blood." "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins"

It is not the blood itself that cleanses, it is the sacrifice of Christ's life as a substitute for our life. In the OT it is a picture of what takes place in the atonement. Jesus substituting His perfect righteousness as satisfaction for the debt we owe and taking on Himself the punishment that sin deserves that justice and mercy might kiss. Without spot or blemish. Dying a bloody and violent death. The way of reconciliation is made, and by His righteousness being imputed to us. And because we are counted righteous, our sins are forgiven and we are declared not guilty before God---justified, by grace and through faith. All of it is internal in a sense in our right now but not yet state. Without the blood, there would be no cleansing, no imputation, no justification.
 
IMO the shedding of blood represents the life of the one shedding it. "The life is in the blood." "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins"

It is not the blood itself that cleanses, it is the sacrifice of Christ's life as a substitute for our life. In the OT it is a picture of what takes place in the atonement. Jesus substituting His perfect righteousness as satisfaction for the debt we owe and taking on Himself the punishment that sin deserves that justice and mercy might kiss. Without spot or blemish. Dying a bloody and violent death. The way of reconciliation is made, and by His righteousness being imputed to us. And because we are counted righteous, our sins are forgiven and we are declared not guilty before God---justified, by grace and through faith. All of it is internal in a sense in our right now but not yet state. Without the blood, there would be no cleansing, no imputation, no justification.
Revelation 1:5 KJV
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


Your take on the blood sound’s similar to John MacArthur’s where it pretty much typifies His death.
I guess I have too much Lutheran influence to leave the more literal view. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Revelation 1:5 KJV
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


Your take on the blood sound’s similar to John MacArthur’s where it pretty much typifies His death.
I guess I have too much Lutheran influence to leave the more literal view. 🤷🏻‍♂️
It is reference to His death. He actually shed His literal blood, and in that sense it is literal, for without His doing that, redemption would be impossible. And it is literal in our washing and cleansing of conscience, in that sense, for we are in Him through faith. But we are not literally washed in His blood on earth."The life is in the blood." (That was said in reference to the blood of all living creatures---thus the substitute of rams and bulls.) The life blood of Christ had infinite value unto eternal life for those for whom He died, because it was the very blood of the incarnate Son. It is the power of His life and death and resurrection and ascension, to cleanse all who are in Him through faith, that washes us form our sins in His own blood. Substitution, reconciliation through propitiation, imputation, justification.
 
So our consciences are cleansed by a metaphor or symbol?
I did not say that.

A potential problem arises with various interpretations of the "blood." For example, a strictly literal reading might have God physically scrubbing every sinner (inside and out) with physical blood. That view is going to run into a variety of problems and require a substantive explanation to justify its efficacy. You went on record stating the blood is not "simply" metaphorical or symbolic without much explanation for that opinion.

It is your op.
Hebrews 9:14 ESV
how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Yep. I have no dispute with scripture. I may have dispute with an Indvidual's reading of scripture but who can tell because the op-relevant questions were not answered! If the blood is not simply metaphorical and/or sumbolic then that begs a plethora of questions. I asked some. The questions are valid and op relevant. The questions were also dodged unnecessarily. Just answer the questions asked! Move the conversation forward. Do not sandbag your own thread. The rhetorical response, "So our consciences are cleansed by a metaphor or symbol?" did not help your cause.

Take the questions one, two or three at a time. If handled well, a single paragraph could answer and address all of them at once and move the conversation forward.

  • Do you have some of Jesus' actual blood on you?
  • Do you have some of Jesus' actual blood in you?
  • Can you provide a picture of that blood?
  • If not, then why not?
  • Given the limited amount of physical blood Jesus humanly produced in his lifetime, do you think it is sufficient to literally, physically cover all the millions or billions of people who have placed their faith in Jesus?
  • How is it non-metaphorically and non-symbolically sufficient justify every human being, or provide forgiveness?
  • If the blood is not used metaphorically or symbolically then is it thought to be spoken of literally?

Your op. You said "...otoh neither do I take the blood as simply a metaphor or type or symbolic etc." Great! Given the blood is not simply a metaphor or a type of symbolic, etc., tell us how you "take" the blood. Tell us what you believe. Once we know the answers to these questions (and possibly others) we may be better able to answer the question asked in this op.


How does the shed blood of Jesus interact (if at all) with imputation and justification?


Great question. Will the answers of those who think the blood is in some ways metaphorical or symbolic be dismissed? Let everyone know before they attempt an answer.
 
They're fine/ it's up to you.
No, it is up to you. This is your op and we're all trying to answer the question asked in this op. That question is your question.. It is not my question, or @Papa Smurf's, @Soyeong's, @Arial's, @brightfame52's, @EarlyActs or anyone else's who latter might join this thread. Imagine how this discussion will work (or not work) if seven or more different people assert seven or more definitions of four or five different terms because either you will not provide definitions or you will not accept one we can all use. I can certainly walk through the answer to this op's inquiry with my definitions and, hopefully, that discussion will answer the question asked sufficiently for you and others who might be lurking our exchange.
They're fine/ it's up to you.
Great.

Justification is a legal/forensic term that simply has to do with one's ability to stand in a legal proceeding. Nothing more. In Christian theology no one can stand before God and live (for multiple reasons). But by Christ's blood, Christ's faith, and subsequently our own Spirit-birthed faith we who believe in Jesus have a legal/forensic basis for standing before God (and not being destroyed).

Imputation is has two ordinary or normal definitions, one negative (an accusation) and the other positive (an attribution of value). In Christian theology imputation occurs several ways, not just justification. Imputation and justification are not synonymous, and neither are imputation and the other imputed values (like righteousness) synonymous. The giving and the gift are not identical.

Extra nos is not strictly physical or geographic. Because the Holy Spirit indwells every single regenerate convert to Christ there is an internal extra nos, something inside of each of us that is not of us. The refix "extra" is normally understood as "outside" but the more accurate understanding is "additional." Something that is extra-rational is not irrational. It is simply something in addition to what limited reasoning we possess. God is not irrational. He is quite rational, but He is also quite often extra-rational. Extra nos should not be considered to be physically or geographically external to the human body. The same concept applies soulishly or spiritually (although I do not subscribe to the tripartite view of man).

The blood of Christ should NOT be considered "simply," or solely metaphorical or symbolic. Scripture often uses like terms in many diverse ways. The words "life" and "death" are two examples of words scripture uses with multiple meanings. I completely agree with you the blood is not simply metaphorical BUT I also think it is best for you to have some explanation of the blood in your own mind before we proceed. It's your op. Definitions are not on me (even though you have availed yourself of my definitions for the time being). So tell me something about how you construe scripture's use of "blood." That will help me and I will then offer anything I think important to add.

Interact. Since I'm not sure I would use that word and I do not know what you mean I think it best if you define the term. I might change the question to something like,

How does the shed blood of Jesus prompt imputation and justification?
How does the shed blood of Jesus provide imputation and justification?
How does the shed blood of Jesus cause with imputation and justification?


and I would further specify the question as,

How does the shed blood of Jesus prompt, provide, and/or cause imputations and justifications?

Because multiple imputations exist consequent to the blood of Christ, and in the case of justification imputation occurs in more than one way and at least two of them occur prior to confession of faith and at least one of them occurs subsequently. Imputation is the avenue of justification. A gift is given. Justification (the gift) is imputed (given).

So once you've posted some of your thoughts and insights pertaining to the blood not simply being metaphorical or symbolic I'll proceed.


Btw, you asked if our consciences are cleansed by metaphor or symbol. I trust you understand the entire Old Testament's history of animal sacrifices was symbolic. The blood of bulls and goats could never take away sin (Heb. 10). Now that the real deal, the real sacrifice previously symbolized in animals, has taken place things changed. Of course, we're not cleansed by metaphor. You went on record saying the blood is not simply metaphorical or symbolic. Good. What then is it?
I was hoping to read the dialogue of other participants. Like I said I don't have much to add except questions. (I gave you one in #21)
Yeah, yeah. Between you and me: you do not need to marginalize your views and I won't condescend. Consider this: I rarely use the words, "in my opinion," or the short-hand "imo," or "imho," because everyone here is offering their opinion. That caveat is always an unnecessary redundancy. My posts come from my views and your posts come from your views. Luke 6:45. Sometimes self-disclosure is valuable, but you've qualified yourself and, thankfully disclosed the op-relevant source. I appreciate that.

Let's move on.


Tell me a little more about how you read scripture's use of Christ's blood. Let me know if there's anything we (you and me) need to add to the definitions just provided and if nothing needs to be added then let's proceed to answer this op's inquiry using those metrics.


How does the shed blood of Jesus interact (if at all) with imputation and justification?


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Where does Luther teach salvation by faith alone?
 
Are Faith and baptism require for justification?
 
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FAQ: Was it really necessary to restore Jesus' crucified dead body to life?

REPLY: Jesus' crucifixion made it possible for everyone to obtain a pardon per Isa
53:6. However, his crucifixion alone doesn't clear anyboy, viz: it leaves the record
of their wrongs intact.

For example; former US President Gerald Ford pardoned former US President
Richard Nixon, but although the pardon kept Mr. Nixon out of prison, it did nothing
to clear his name, viz: he's still in history for criminal conduct. So then; the
thing that Mr. Nixon really needed was exoneration which, though impossible in
most any of the world's normal criminal justice systems, is very possible in
Heaven's system via Jesus' resurrection.

Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was raised to life
for our justification.

The Greek word for "justification" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which means
acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence: usually due to a lack of sufficient
evidence to convict.

That's comparable to Isa 53:11 wherein is said:

"By his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many; and he will bear their
iniquities."

So, in the end, folks whose names have been cleared by Jesus' resurrection will
have nothing on the books with which to accuse them at the great white throne
event depicted by Rev 20:11-15, viz: it will appear they have never been anything
less than 100% innocent their entire lives.

2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting
their trespasses against them. (cf. Jer 31:34)

The Greek word translated "counting" pertains to keeping an inventory, i.e. an
indictment. Well; without an indictment, prosecutors would be silly to haul someone
into court because most any honest judge would refuse to hear them.

Rom 8:34 . . Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus who died? More than that:
he who was raised to life, and is at the right hand of God, and is also interceding for
us?
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Jesus' crucifixion made it possible for everyone to obtain a pardon per Isa
53:6. However, his crucifixion alone doesn't clear anyboy, viz: it leaves the record
of their wrongs intact.

This is absolutely wrong, Jesus death on the cross took sins away and Justified them He died for. Isa 53:10-11

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Now His resurrection is proof that those for whom He died, He Justified Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
 
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Jesus' crucifixion made it possible for everyone to obtain a pardon per Isa 53:6. However, his crucifixion alone
doesn't clear anybody, viz: it leaves the record of their wrongs intact.

1Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
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So our consciences are cleansed by a metaphor or symbol?

Hebrews 9:14 ESV
how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Yes. . . blood and water or with each other , are metaphors used in parables.to represent the work of the Holy Spirt pouring out His Spirit life in jeopardy of his own Spirit life. . . pouring it out a dying s flesh and blood .

That is according to the doctrines of Christ that fall like rain (inspired from above) they produce new born again life. The water of the word by which he washes his bride the church, and husband their own wifes

The spirit of life (invisible) is in the Literal blood that life is spiritual not seen Blood and water working as one show the work of the unseen Holy Spirit of Christ

When a sacrifice was made it was always a living sacrifice . When life was gone the blood must be poured at the foot of the alter; it must be poured out ,

An abomination to drink it literally It must in poured to show spirit life was given, Dead flesh returns to the lifeless dust as it was before God breathed in spirit life

Deuteronomy 32Easy-to-Read Version “Skies, listen and I will speak. Earth, hear the words of my mouth. My teachings will come like the rain, like a mist falling to the ground ,like a gentle rain on the soft grass, like rain on the green plants.

Water and blood are as metaphors in parables .They are used to represent Christ pouring out His Holy Spirit life hat way throughout . Five times in Exodus

Exodus 4:9 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river (living water) shall become blood upon the dry land.

Exodus 7:17 Thus saith the Lord, In this thou shalt know that I am the Lord: behold, I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood.

Exodus 7:20 And Moses and Aaron did so, as the Lord commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood.

An example of the water of the word the doctrines of God falling down placed as dew (Holy Spirit) as manna or called hidden mana in Revaltion 2:17. Our daily bread, hidden manna the food by which we can seek the understanding of His Holy Spirit and empower mankind yoked with Emanuel. . to do it to His good pleasure. ,

Exodus 16:14-16King James Version4 And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat.

It would seem the dew separated His pure word from the corrupted things of this dying world
 
Yes. . . blood and water or with each other , are metaphors used in parables.to represent the work of the Holy Spirt pouring out His Spirit life in jeopardy of his own Spirit life. . . pouring it out a dying s flesh and blood .

That is according to the doctrines of Christ that fall like rain (inspired from above) they produce new born again life. The water of the word by which he washes his bride the church, and husband their own wifes

The spirit of life (invisible) is in the Literal blood that life is spiritual not seen Blood and water working as one show the work of the unseen Holy Spirit of Christ

When a sacrifice was made it was always a living sacrifice . When life was gone the blood must be poured at the foot of the alter; it must be poured out ,

An abomination to drink it literally It must in poured to show spirit life was given, Dead flesh returns to the lifeless dust as it was before God breathed in spirit life

Deuteronomy 32Easy-to-Read Version “Skies, listen and I will speak. Earth, hear the words of my mouth. My teachings will come like the rain, like a mist falling to the ground ,like a gentle rain on the soft grass, like rain on the green plants.

Water and blood are as metaphors in parables .They are used to represent Christ pouring out His Holy Spirit life hat way throughout . Five times in Exodus

Exodus 4:9 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river (living water) shall become blood upon the dry land.

Exodus 7:17 Thus saith the Lord, In this thou shalt know that I am the Lord: behold, I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood.

Exodus 7:20 And Moses and Aaron did so, as the Lord commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood.

An example of the water of the word the doctrines of God falling down placed as dew (Holy Spirit) as manna or called hidden mana in Revaltion 2:17. Our daily bread, hidden manna the food by which we can seek the understanding of His Holy Spirit and empower mankind yoked with Emanuel. . to do it to His good pleasure. ,

Exodus 16:14-16King James Version4 And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat.

It would seem the dew separated His pure word from the corrupted things of this dying world
Interesting, I thought representations, types and shadows went out with the Mosaic Covenant,...

Hebrews 8:5 NKJV
who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."


Hebrews 10:1 NASB95
For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.

How can the blood of Jesus bring forgiveness if it's just a metaphor?
 
Interesting, I thought representations, types and shadows went out with the Mosaic Covenant,...

Hebrews 8:5 NKJV
who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."


Hebrews 10:1 NASB95
For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.

How can the blood of Jesus bring forgiveness if it's just a metaphor?

I thanks I can try. ..

Types and shadows are used as parables in ceremonial laws as signs, the signified understanding of work of the Holy Spirit. . . pouring out His Spirit life in jeapordy of his own spirit life . Using the prescription (2 Corinthians 4:18) we can rightly divide prophecy (parables)

Parables are designed to show us "how to walk/understand the invisible things of our head Christ . Hiding the spiritual understanding from natural un-converted mankind.

Two levels that are to be mixed. The temporal; historical with the unseen work of the Holy Spirit the eternal .

A valuable 20/20 tool (2 Corinthians 4:18) needed to divide or interpret the parables In that way it seems many avoid parables . .unless the word parable is in view . I think of fear a wile of the evil one taking away possibility of understanding the spiritual unseen . making it all after the the temporal seen

It would appear Satan hates parables. He not given the understanding it remains a mystery. His tool, to deceive, lying signs to wonder to seek after

Wondering is wondering, not coming to faith the salvation of ones soul Believers have prophecy till the last day under the Sun

2 Corinthians 4:18King James Version While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

No mixing, no gospel rest.

Water (living, flowing ) using different forms, rain, dew, small rain showers, like blood many times used in that way to represent the work of the Holy Spirit brining the water of the word. . . the gospel of salvation

Deuteronomy 32King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

An example in the Psalms the voice of Christ leading as work of the Holy Spirit stilling the storms giving us the gospel rest

Peter is used as a example when he got his mind off Christ when the storm came he sunk ;

Psalm 23:1-3King James Version23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Literal blood without the spirit essence of life cannot give life . The Spirit of life is in the blood. Not literal blood or literal water.

Peter is used to show the work of the invisible Holy Spirit receiving the end of his new born again from the beginning.

All of the old testament shadows as signs to the unbelieving world became sight at the time of the first century reformation. Signs to wonder after for unbelieving not to those used to demonstrate

Aarons two sons found out the hard way when they tried to add to prophecy with a sign (strange fire)

1 Peter 1: 9-11 Receiving the end of your faith (Christ in us) , even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The whole period of time when Kings were in Israel it was used as a shadow that pointed ahead to the glory the finished working. They looked ahead by the Spirit of faith we can look back by the same Spirt of faith (Christ)

Signified = using the temporal things seen as a sign to give us the understanding of the Spirt of Christ The Holy Spirit of God

Figure = parable

Hebrew 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation

A living sacrifice when it is through showing the work (unseen) the lifeless, spiritless blood must return to the field of clay from which the temporal dying covering was formed .

Both used together to represent the unseen eternal work of the Holy Spirit . Both spit and sweat are used to represent the work of the Holy Spirit .

Mark 7:33 And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;

Mark 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down (returning to it )to the ground.

In that way one new ceremonial law as a shadow was given after the first century reformation (1 Corinthians 11)
 
I thanks I can try. ..

Types and shadows are used as parables in ceremonial laws as signs, the signified understanding of work of the Holy Spirit. . . pouring out His Spirit life in jeapordy of his own spirit life . Using the prescription (2 Corinthians 4:18) we can rightly divide prophecy (parables)

Parables are designed to show us "how to walk/understand the invisible things of our head Christ . Hiding the spiritual understanding from natural un-converted mankind.

Two levels that are to be mixed. The temporal; historical with the unseen work of the Holy Spirit the eternal .

A valuable 20/20 tool (2 Corinthians 4:18) needed to divide or interpret the parables In that way it seems many avoid parables . .unless the word parable is in view . I think of fear a wile of the evil one taking away possibility of understanding the spiritual unseen . making it all after the the temporal seen

It would appear Satan hates parables. He not given the understanding it remains a mystery. His tool, to deceive, lying signs to wonder to seek after

Wondering is wondering, not coming to faith the salvation of ones soul Believers have prophecy till the last day under the Sun

2 Corinthians 4:18King James Version While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

No mixing, no gospel rest.

Water (living, flowing ) using different forms, rain, dew, small rain showers, like blood many times used in that way to represent the work of the Holy Spirit brining the water of the word. . . the gospel of salvation

Deuteronomy 32King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

An example in the Psalms the voice of Christ leading as work of the Holy Spirit stilling the storms giving us the gospel rest

Peter is used as a example when he got his mind off Christ when the storm came he sunk ;

Psalm 23:1-3King James Version23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Literal blood without the spirit essence of life cannot give life . The Spirit of life is in the blood. Not literal blood or literal water.

Peter is used to show the work of the invisible Holy Spirit receiving the end of his new born again from the beginning.

All of the old testament shadows as signs to the unbelieving world became sight at the time of the first century reformation. Signs to wonder after for unbelieving not to those used to demonstrate

Aarons two sons found out the hard way when they tried to add to prophecy with a sign (strange fire)

1 Peter 1: 9-11 Receiving the end of your faith (Christ in us) , even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The whole period of time when Kings were in Israel it was used as a shadow that pointed ahead to the glory the finished working. They looked ahead by the Spirit of faith we can look back by the same Spirt of faith (Christ)

Signified = using the temporal things seen as a sign to give us the understanding of the Spirt of Christ The Holy Spirit of God

Figure = parable

Hebrew 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation

A living sacrifice when it is through showing the work (unseen) the lifeless, spiritless blood must return to the field of clay from which the temporal dying covering was formed .

Both used together to represent the unseen eternal work of the Holy Spirit . Both spit and sweat are used to represent the work of the Holy Spirit .

Mark 7:33 And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;

Mark 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down (returning to it )to the ground.

In that way one new ceremonial law as a shadow was given after the first century reformation (1 Corinthians 11)
Let me try to ask this again...

"How can the blood of Jesus bring forgiveness and a clean conscience (in no more than two paragraphs), if it's just a metaphor?

Hebrews 12:24 NLT
You have come to Jesus, the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks of forgiveness instead of crying out for vengeance like the blood of Abel.


Hebrews 9:14 KJV
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

and entrance into His Presence does not come by metaphor...

Hebrews 10:19 YLT
Having, therefore, brethren, boldness for the entrance into the holy places, in the blood of Jesus,

In a sense the whole OT was a type (parable) of the Substance, Jesus Christ Himself.
 
"How can the blood of Jesus bring forgiveness and a clean conscience (in no more than two paragraphs), if it's just a metaphor?



Metaphors in parables use the temporal things seen to give the unseen eternal vision from God things not by seeing but beliv ind in the unsen things

2 Corinthians 4:18King James Version8 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

In that way parable teach us how to walk by faith unseen things of God the gospel

Luke 9 a perfect commentary .

The Son of man Jesus the prophet was given words from the father again and again over and over spoke a parable and hid the understanding .On one occasion they must of though he went off the deep end decided the elect the new greatest Alfa dog . On another the apostles thought he was going to Jerusalem they ended in a Gentile town and demanded God bring down fire consume them (out of sight out of mind the pagan foundation

He rebuked the apostles and informed them they knew not what manner of spirit they were of. The spirit of the world the literal fleshly historical with no gospel understanding as rest
 
Metaphors in parables use the temporal things seen to give the unseen eternal vision from God things not by seeing but beliv ind in the unsen things
IOW, Jesus Himself when He was in the flesh here on earth was a metaphor? 1John 1:1-2
(something temporal used for eternal purposes?)

If not, then I can't see how His blood was a metaphor.

Are we saved by a metaphor?
 
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