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[EarlyActs]

Psalm 104:6-9 KJV
Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. (worldwide rather than local)
[7] At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. (abatement of water).
[8] They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.
[9] Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth. (the current tides)

OK, so the features of the cataclysm are new to you. check the Genesis Apologetics 23 min video found by searching Noah's flood and pangea tectonics. There are threads on that if you want to use the same search terms here at CCCF and not bother John with a separate topic

 

[EarlyActs]

re LA Times articles
The reality of internet references problems is gagging me. Only one comes up, the one mentioned above without anyone's name to it and nothing about 200kya. I can't even reference the LA Times reason for why they interviewed her, because the article I read was polemic: that conventional science was being honest about these things by extending to the recent date of 200kya. Since they are not mentioning either of those things anymore , it is now a worthless reference, to me.

 

[John Bauer]

Genesis 1 is that evidence about the material!

1. First, tell me what "ontology" is. (Because I don't think you know, which cripples this whole discussion.)

2. Then, show me from the text of Genesis 1 that the ancient Hebrews had a material ontology.

Our communication is approaching the irrational point.

You can't follow what I am saying. Fair enough. But that's a statement about you, not this conversation.

The reality of internet references problems is gagging me. Only one comes up, the one mentioned above without anyone's name to it and nothing about 200kya.

Give me a link to the one that came up.

 

[prism]

OK, so the features of the cataclysm are new to you. check the Genesis Apologetics 23 min video found by searching Noah's flood and pangea tectonics. There are threads on that if you want to use the same search terms here at CCCF and not bother John with a separate topic

I never claimed to be an expert on cataclysms, and I wouldn't suppose a 23-minute video would make me one either. Do they offer a different opinion of Psalm 104:6-9?

 

[EarlyActs]

I never claimed to be an expert on cataclysms, and I wouldn't suppose a 23-minute video would make me one either. Do they offer a different opinion of Psalm 104:6-9?

It shows the enormous tectonic scale of the event.,

 

[EarlyActs]

1. First, tell me what "ontology" is. (Because I don't think you know, which cripples this whole discussion.)

2. Then, show me from the text of Genesis 1 that the ancient Hebrews had a material ontology.




You can't follow what I am saying. Fair enough. But that's a statement about you, not this conversation.




Give me a link to the one that came up.

What difference do you find between an ontology and a cosmology? Then maybe I can understand what you mean.

As I said in previous post, right now only one LA Times article comes up, and its not the one I read 5 years ago. The one that was there 5 years ago named the woman (prob Schweitzer) and dealt extensively with 200kya. Do you trust major media so much that they can never lie or twist things?

I have been unclear in the past, for sure, but I find your line about material origin to be utterly unclear; that's about you and whether what you are saying survives questioning.

 

[EarlyActs]

I read several definitions of ontology. How does the text not provide its own? It states several meaningful relationships between things. It doesn't do it as elaborate 19th century writers would, but so what? That would mean nothing written before the 19th century had any worth.

If it was intended to refute Egyptian theology, then all the more. But it was already there, so Egyptian theology later attempted to refute it.

But if it will help to read something that may speak to 19th century questions, here is Dr. Schaeffer in HE IS THERE AND HE IS NOT SILENT:

What we are talking about is the philosophic necesity, in the area of being and existence , of the fact that God is there. That is what it is all about: He is there.

There is no other suffcient philosophical answer than the one I have outlined. ...There is only one philosophy, one religion, that fills this need in all the world's thought, whether the East, the West, the ancient the modern, the new , the old. Only one fills the philosophical need of existence, of being, and it is the Judaeo-Christian God--not just an abstract concept, but rather that this God is really there. He really exists. ...It is not a time to be defensive. There is no other answer.
p13

 

[prism]

It shows the enormous tectonic scale of the event.,

I saw a video on the Mount Saint Helens 'cataclysm' and that obviously did not make me an expert, so why should this other video you are offering make me an expert on cataclysms?

 

[EarlyActs]

I saw a video on the Mount Saint Helens 'cataclysm' and that obviously did not make me an expert, so why should this other video you are offering make me an expert on cataclysms?

Did I say it would? I was suggesting it because you sounded like you were unfamiliar with the scale of the event in Ps 104. 2, I believe you will find it is a landmark production in visualizing (authentically) how the combined information that we now have about tectonics and mega-sequences would look, without which I believe the event withers and is diminished in our minds. You could even say Ps 104 couldn't possibly cover it like it should.

And even then it does not cover everything that it could have. I was recently near a flood and saw 20 square yards changed drastically by it. I had just seen new footage on the post ice age Missoula flood, and realized that the miniature event could create things just like this on a regional scale.

In 1905 most fundamentalists believed the Genesis flood merely had to do with the Caspian sea. It was the mid 1900s before people realized it was much larger.

 

[prism]

Did I say it would? I was suggesting it because you sounded like you were unfamiliar with the scale of the event in Ps 104. 2, I believe you will find it is a landmark production in visualizing (authentically) how the combined information that we now have about tectonics and mega-sequences would look, without which I believe the event withers and is diminished in our minds. You could even say Ps 104 couldn't possibly cover it like it should.

And even then it does not cover everything that it could have. I was recently near a flood and saw 20 square yards changed drastically by it. I had just seen new footage on the post ice age Missoula flood, and realized that the miniature event could create things just like this on a regional scale.

In 1905 most fundamentalists believed the Genesis flood merely had to do with the Caspian sea. It was the mid 1900s before people realized it was much larger.

I see a world wide flood written all over that passage in Ps. 104. I may not be a cataclysmic expert (see post #81), but I know the effective power of God's Word. He speaks / it happens.

 

[EarlyActs]

Post 81 is great, but in 1905 Bible fundamentalists thought that the Genesis flood was only of the Caspian Sea bc of what science was saying, even in light of ps 104 Isn’t it helpful to know that there are manifold indicators of world-wide cataclysm?