I am certain it was there before creation. While I am opposed to the idea of evolution, there is no reason to believe earth has not been around
as long as the other space spectaculars, give or take how the expansion really happened. I have always felt that earth was chosen by God for His purposes in creation, of which we likely will never truly know about. I have my suspicions but an not willing to be thrown into the proverbial lions den by voicing them to some who... ummmm.... how to say this nicely.....
View attachment 1175...well I cant so I wont.
Honestly I have found the book of Enoch to be disjointed depending on which version of a translation I was reading at the time.
Seems like older translations would jump all over the place....
However, truth is I have managed to lose translations in the laptop, which will never see day again, but the following are a few translations that are seemingly the same... except
the last two are specifically on 1 Enoch 93 Enoch's vision of the future, and 1 Enoch: The Son of Man
I have a few links that have not disappeared into the laptop... to never be seen again... and they are below.
I did not take the time to check all 105 chapters but the general layout on the first 4 is about the same.. and they are not so much regarding the things in the video but the sequencing of things from creation.... and also his experience with the angels and about the watchers etc.
I could kick myself because I did have at least 4 maybe more links though that were totally disjointed in comparison to these and when I
just went to find them to post here..... GONE. When or where I have no idea, other then about 3 years ago my laptop died and I got this one. I had them transfer the stuff from the old hard drive over here, but they said some was missing so ?/ The only ones left are below. The disjointed ones are the ones that had some suggestions of things before creation. As I say, they were disjointed and I had more arguements with those
who discounted what I would post from them
Now, I will spend some time to see if I can find those again...... and if I do I will post them.
But check these out if interested, and if not.. at least see numbers 5 and 6.
This first link, itself, lays out the chapters in a precise way, and from them you would naturally conclude a sequencing of events.
IN
Link 1 (There is a very long introduction, but interesting)
After he becomes like the angels, Enoch is instructed by Vrevoil, the swiftest of the archangels who records all the Lord’s deeds. After being instructed for 30 days and 30 nights, Enoch records this instruction in 366 books (22:10-23:6; Recension A has 360 books). After writing the books, Enoch...
readingacts.com
He touches on creation.
.. But here is the first clue that this could be a fantasy. For have we not all been told by Jesus that no man has ascended to Heaven and seen God, except for Himself that came from there? Unless , as you will see below... the Lord is Jesus/Word and not the Father?
Link 2
After he becomes like the angels, Enoch is instructed by Vrevoil, the swiftest of the archangels who records all the Lord’s deeds. After being instructed for 30 days and 30 nights, Enoch records this instruction in 366 books (22:10-23:6; Recension A has 360 books). After writing the books, Enoch...
readingacts.com
In any event... the following is all that is in this link. Any bolding or color changes are mine for emphasis.
Read below, especially what is said in chapter 32 below .... and 5 1/2 hours?
After he becomes like the angels, Enoch is instructed by Vrevoil, the swiftest of the archangels who records all the Lord’s deeds. After being instructed for 30 days and 30 nights, Enoch records this instruction in 366 books (22:10-23:6; Recension A has 360 books). After writing the books,
Enoch is invited to sit next to the Lord with Gabriel.
God proceeds to explain “mysteries” of creation and the fall to Enoch:
- Chapter 24 – God created visible from invisible.
- Chapter 26 – An invisible thing (Adiol) descends and God commands it to disintegrate. A great light comes from this creature; the great light becomes the “great age” of creation. God established his throne in this creation.
- Chapter 27-28 – God creates water and land from the light and darkness. Seven circles are established for seven stars. This is the first day of the creation week.
- Chapter 29 – On Monday (the second day) God fashions rock from the fiery substance of heaven. On this day Satanail falls, he was hurled out of heaven and is now flying around in the air above the bottomless pit.
- Chapter 30 – On Tuesday (the third day) God commands the earth to create trees and grasses; God laid out paradise as a garden. Enoch On Wednesday (the fourth day) God establishes the stars, sun and moon in the various circles of the heavens. On Thursday he commands the seas to bring forth fish and birds. On Friday God creates Man out of seven components with seven properties. Man was assigned to the earth as a second angel, to reign as a king. He was named Adam and given free will to either love God or hate him (30:15).
- Chapter 31 – Adam is given a single task but the devil entered paradise and corrupted Eve. This devil did not speak to Adam, therefore it is on account of Eve the Lord curses mankind. This is obviously at odds with Romans 5:12-21 where Adam is blamed for death and sin, Eve is not mentioned.
- Chapter 32 – Adam is removed from the garden after his transgression (after only five and a half hours!)
- Chapter 33 – Enoch is told there will be 7000 years of human existence, with an eighth thousand with not days, months, or years (probably an eternal state.) Presumably there will be one thousand for each of the days of creation. The idea of seven creational days = 7000 years of human history crosses over into Christianity via the Epistle of Barnabas but is not found in the Bible.
- Chapter 34 – The judgment of the flood on the sinner who accepted a different yoke than the Lord’s yoke. The sins listed here are fornication and sodomy.
- Chapter 35 – God promises to allow one righteous man from Enoch’s line to survive the flood for the purpose of passing along the words of Enoch.
- Chapter 36 – Enoch is commanded to live for thirty days on the earth for the purpose of passing on the wisdom he has learned during his heavenly journeys.
- Chapter 36 – Enoch is returned to earth by one of the senior angels.
Link 3 is another version of the book to read. You can check it out as I honestly did not read it all assuming it is like the first link.
Books of Enoch
reluctant-messenger.com
Link 4 - is another presentation, that from my checking through out I believe to be the same.
(105 chapters; also referred to as "Ethiopian Enoch" or "The Apocalypse of Enoch") Translation: Robert Henry Charles, Oxford, Clarendon, 1897
Link 5....
cojs.org
ENOCH'S VISION OF THE FUTURE.
Link 6
www.livius.org
Copied in full below , for those who do not like to go to links.
1 Enoch: the Son of Man
The
First book of Enoch is one of the Old Testament pseudepigrapha, in other words, a composition attributed to a personage from the
Hebrew Bible, but not included in either the Jewish or the Christian Bible. It contains a description of the Son of Man as pre-existent.
[46.1-4] And there I saw the One to Whom belongs the time before time, and His head was white like wool. With Him was another being, whose countenance had the appearance of a man, and his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels. I asked the angel who went with me [...] concerning that son of and who he was, and whence he was, and why he went with the One to Whom belongs the time before time.
He answered and said to me: 'This is the son of man who has righteousness, with whom dwells righteousness, and who reveals all the treasures of that which is hidden, because the Lord of the spirits has chosen him, and whose lot has the pre-eminence before the Lord of the spirits in uprightness for ever. This son of man whom you have seen shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats and the strong from their thrones, and shall loosen the reins of the strong and break the teeth of the sinners.'
[48.2-10] And at that hour that Son of Man was named in the presence of the Lord of the spirits, and his name before the the One to Whom belongs the time before time. Yes, before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of the heaven were made, his name was named before the Lord of the spirits. He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall, and he shall be the light of the gentiles and the hope of those who are troubled of heart. All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him, and will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of the spirits. For this reason has he been chosen and hidden before Him, before the creation of the world and for ever more. The wisdom of the Lord of the spirits has revealed him to the holy and righteous; for he has preserved the lot of the righteous, because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness, and have hated all its works and ways in the name of the Lord of the spirits: for in his name they are saved, and according to his good pleasure has it been in regard to their life.
In these days downcast in countenance shall the kings of the earth have become, and the strong who possess the land because of the works of their hands, for on the day of their anguish and affliction they shall not be able to save themselves. And I will give them over into the hands of My elect: as straw in the fire so shall they burn before the face of the holy, as lead in the water shall they sink before the face of the righteous, and no trace of them shall any more be found.
And on the day of their affliction there shall be rest on the earth, and before them they shall fall and not rise again. There shall be no one to take them with his hands and raise them, for they have denied the Lord of the spirits and His Messiah. The name of the Lord of the spirits be blessed.
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