Has God appointed any men to wrath

[Carbon]

Has God appointed any men to wrath?

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thess 5:9

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 1 Peter 2:8

So, according to scripture then, are these men ordained to condemnation by His wrath

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4.

 

[Josheb]

Has God appointed any men to wrath?

Yes, because all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, and because the wages of sin is death, all men were once "appointed" to wrath, but it is from this group of all humanity that is sinful that God has chosen to save some by grace.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thess 5:9

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 1 Peter 2:8

So, according to scripture then, are these men ordained to condemnation by His wrath

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4.

Great verses that should be read in their inherent contexts. For example, the "us" is the saints, not the non-saint. In order to grasp the whole of what God has done with His wrath the whole of scripture must be consulted because there are occasions when the New Testament describes the saints and/or God's covenant people as subject to His wrath. Ephesians 2:3, for example...

Ephesians 2:3
Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

The Greek transliteration literally states, "we were children by nature of wrath as even the rest." Just as the "us" in 1 Thes. 5:9 is the saints, so too is the "we". Paul says the saints were once by nature children of wrath. Sin brings wrath. There are multiple verses describing how God gave humanity over to its lusts, brought forth each person in iniquity, and design a world in which death would come to all men. Hebrews 9 tells us every individual will face judgment and the scriptures make it clear that no one can stand before God and live apart from Christ. The clay from which God makes some for honorable purpose is a clay in which corruption already exists.

The larger passage of Epheisans 2 reads,

Ephesians 2:1-3 ESV
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience — among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.


Sin brings wrath . Christ brings salvation and eternal life .

 

[Alive]

The clay from which God makes some for honorable purpose is a clay in which corruption already exists.

Excellent!