Good News For Habitual Sinners!!!

[ChristB4us]

If you had walked away from an altar call to "repent of sins" before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ because you had looked to yourself, knowing you could not repent of your habitual sins, please know that Jesus Christ came to deliver you from your sins and not just to give you eternal life.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So do come to & believe in Jesus Christ that He will deliver you from your sins so you will no longer be a slave to sin & rest in Him as saved for eternal life.

 

[ChristB4us]

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

 

[ChristB4us]

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

 

[Carbon]

If you had walked away from an altar call to "repent of sins" before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ because you had looked to yourself, knowing you could not repent of your habitual sins, please know that Jesus Christ came to deliver you from your sins and not just to give you eternal life.

FYI alter calls are not in the bible.

 

[ChristB4us]

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

 

[ChristB4us]

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. 10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[ChristB4us]

FYI alter calls are not in the bible.

The invitation to come to & believe in Jesus Christ is the gospel presentation.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

You need to address the Forum's Statement of Faith for giving that kind of altar call for how believers are saved with "all who repent of sins & received the Lord Jesus Christ".

7) We believe that all who repent of sin and receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit and thereby become the children of God and shall not come into condemnation and that the Lord Jesus Christ gives them everlasting life.
(John 1:12-13; 3:16-18,36; 5:24-29; 10:27-29; Acts 4:12; Rom 8:1, 9-12.15-17, 10:9-11;Gal 4:24-29; Eph 1:5; 1John 5:12-13)

I believe it should be read as "all who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead are born again of the Spirit which is by grace alone, through faith alone".

What do you say? How can you make that better so those who seek Him do not look to themselves to repent of sins but to Him?

 

[Deleted member 5]

The invitation to come to & believe in Jesus Christ is the gospel presentation.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

You need to address the Forum's Statement of Faith for giving that kind of altar call for how believers are saved with "all who repent of sins & received the Lord Jesus Christ".

7) We believe that all who repent of sin and receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit and thereby become the children of God and shall not come into condemnation and that the Lord Jesus Christ gives them everlasting life.
(John 1:12-13; 3:16-18,36; 5:24-29; 10:27-29; Acts 4:12; Rom 8:1, 9-12.15-17, 10:9-11;Gal 4:24-29; Eph 1:5; 1John 5:12-13)

I believe it should be read as "all who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead are born again of the Spirit which is by grace alone, through faith alone".

What do you say? How can you make that better so those who seek Him do not look to themselves to repent of sins but to Him?

Since you do not believe repentance is necessary for salvation, you're preaching a false gospel. But we knew that already since you teach a gospel of works as well.

 

[Carbon]

The invitation to come to & believe in Jesus Christ is the gospel presentation.

Indeed. But it's not an alter call.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

A Fact

You need to address the Forum's Statement of Faith for giving that kind of altar call for how believers are saved with "all who repent of sins & received the Lord Jesus Christ".

What do you mean, "you need to" I don't agree with an alter call, I think it's extra-biblical. No one can make a decision to accept Christ. Is that the way you talk to people? does your mother know you talk like that?

7) We believe that all who repent of sin and receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit and thereby become the children of God and shall not come into condemnation and that the Lord Jesus Christ gives them everlasting life.
(John 1:12-13; 3:16-18,36; 5:24-29; 10:27-29; Acts 4:12; Rom 8:1, 9-12.15-17, 10:9-11;Gal 4:24-29; Eph 1:5; 1John 5:12-13)

No alter call

I believe it should be read as "all who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead are born again of the Spirit which is by grace alone, through faith alone".

What do you say? How can you make that better so those who seek Him do not look to themselves to repent of sins but to Him?

No man is a God seeker. We become God seekers after regeneration.

You cannot make God's word better.

 

[ChristB4us]

Since you do not believe repentance is necessary for salvation, you're preaching a false gospel.

And one of you guys said that you are not looking to yourself to repent of sins, so I do not believe you guys are all speaking the same thing either.

But we knew that already since you teach a gospel of works as well.

I do not know where you got that from when I am running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to finish His work in me to His glory. I am resting in Him for that too and not just resting in Him that I am saved for simply believing in Him.

 

[Deleted member 5]

And one of you guys said that you are not looking to yourself to repent of sins, so I do not believe you guys are all speaking the same thing either.

We're speaking the same things, you just don't listen.

I do not know where you got that from

From your teachings.

when I am running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to finish His work in me to His glory. I am resting in Him for that too

Yes, "too" showing you add works to the gospel.

and not just resting in Him that I am saved for simply believing in Him.

No repentance means no salvation. John 5:24 refutes you, as well as 1 John 5:1. Your entire problem is in not knowing what Biblical faith is, and you turn it into works while pointing a self-righteous (which always is the fruit of works salvationists) finger at others, and compare yourself to them, and of course, always come out better than them in your own mind; Luke 18:9-14.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Indeed. But it's not an alter call.

A Fact

What do you mean, "you need to" I don't agree with an alter call, I think it's extra-biblical. No one can make a decision to accept Christ. Is that the way you talk to people? does your mother know you talk like that?


No alter call

No man is a God seeker. We become God seekers after regeneration.

You cannot make God's word better.

He's making up this altar call thing. Christ Himself taught repent and believe in the Gospel, showing repentance is necessary.

 

[ChristB4us]

Indeed. But it's not an alter call.

A Fact

Then I gave no altar call.

What do you mean, "you need to" I don't agree with an alter call, I think it's extra-biblical. No one can make a decision to accept Christ. Is that the way you talk to people? does your mother know you talk like that?

Because brother, sinners are walking away from such an invitation put forth to them to repent form sins before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ. One of you say that you do not look to them to look to themselves to repent from sin but the way that invitation was presented to the sinner asking him to repent of sins, is why I am pointing out the necessity to clarify that statement of faith.

No alter call

7) We believe that all who repent of sin and receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit

Cart before the horse, We need to receive Jesus Christ in us so we can live that life of repentance from sins daily.

cannot be of grace alone through faith alone when you are looking to the sinner, even a habitual sinner to repent of sins first as that is the invitation you put forth in that Statement of Faith.

No man is a God seeker. We become God seekers after regeneration.

Actually, the Father makes us God seeker before salvation as no man can come to the son unless the Father draws him and it is on the Father to reveal His on to us so we can believe in Him & be saved.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Not sure why you seem to think we are God seekers after regeneration when God has found us.

You cannot make God's word better.

God did not write that Statement of Faith.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Then I gave no altar call.

Because brother, sinners are walking away from such an invitation put forth to them to repent form sins before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ. One of you say that you do not look to them to look to themselves to repent from sin but the way that invitation was presented to the sinner asking him to repent of sins, is why I am pointing out the necessity to clarify that statement of faith.

7) We believe that all who repent of sin and receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit

Cart before the horse, We need to receive Jesus Christ in us so we can live that life of repentance from sins daily.

cannot be of grace alone through faith alone when you are looking to the sinner, even a habitual sinner to repent of sins first as that is the invitation you put forth in that Statement of Faith.

Actually, the Father makes us God seeker before salvation as no man can come to the son unless the Father draws him and it is on the Father to reveal His on to us so we can believe in Him & be saved.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Not sure why you seem to think we are God seekers after regeneration when God has found us.

God did not write that Statement of Faith.

God didn't write your errant post above.

Jesus taught contrary to you; Repent, and believe the Gospel; Mark 1:15. Those poor sinners He chased away by putting repentance before faith, *tsk* *tsk.* If only you were there to straighten Him out, like you're trying to straighten everyone here out.

 

[ChristB4us]

We're speaking the same things, you just don't listen.

Okay. Let me check with that member by tagging him then @David1701

From your teachings.

Yet to be shown, quoted, and proven.

Yes, "too" showing you add works to the gospel.

Those who do not run that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help them lay aside every weight & sin daily will get left behind but guess what? They are still saved for why it is not a works salvation. Those former believers and unrepentant saints left behind are vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth, but still in His House and so running that race is not for obtaining salvation but for obtaining the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House, that eternal glory that comes with our salvation by faith in Jesus Christ to help us to do this.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

No repentance means no salvation. John 5:24 refutes you, as well as 1 John 5:1.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Where does it say no repentance no salvation?

1 John 5:Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Where does it say no repentance no salvation?

You are the one coming across as preaching works salvation by the emphasis on the sinner on repenting from sins.

Your entire problem is in not knowing what Biblical faith is, and you turn it into works while pointing a self-righteous (which always is the fruit of works salvationists) finger at others, and compare yourself to them, and of course, alwayas come out better than them in your own mind; Luke 18:9-14.

Romans 9:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Sinners and even habitual sinners are free to come to Him to save them from their sins and not just give them eternal life.

When we look to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily, that is living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.

 

[ChristB4us]

God didn't write your errant post above.

Jesus taught contrary to you; Repent, and believe the Gospel; Mark 1:15. Those poor sinners He chased away by putting repentance before faith, *tsk* *tsk.* If only you were there to straighten Him out, like you're trying to straighten everyone here out.

You should ask Him since there are all kinds of sins, would not the sinner ask repent from what? When it is about believing in Jesus Christ then the only repentance taken place is repenting from unbelief, but the Lord has to show that to you.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Okay. Let me check with that member by tagging him then @David1701

Yet to be shown, quoted, and proven.

Those who do not run that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help them lay aside every weight & sin daily will get left behind but guess what? They are still saved for why it is not a works salvation. Those former believers and unrepentant saints left behind are vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth, but still in His House and so running that race is not for obtaining salvation but for obtaining the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House, that eternal glory that comes with our salvation by faith in Jesus Christ to help us to do this.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Where does it say no repentance no salvation?

1 John 5:Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Where does it say no repentance no salvation?

You are the one coming across as preaching works salvation by the emphasis on the sinner on repenting from sins.

Romans 9:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Sinners and even habitual sinners are free to come to Him to save them from their sins and not just give them eternal life.

When we look to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily, that is living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.

Yours is a failure to implement 2 Timothy 2:15. Jesus taught Mark 1:15 contrary to your teachings.

It's time for you to take a break.

 

[Deleted member 5]

You should ask Him since there are all kinds of sins, would not the sinner ask repent from what? When it is about believing in Jesus Christ then the only repentance taken place is repenting from unbelief, but the Lord has to show that to you.

Unbelief is a sin, but the Lord has to show that to you. You have no clue as to what you're talking about above, nor in your long-winded diatribes.

 

[ChristB4us]

Yours is a failure to implement 2 Timothy 2:15. Jesus taught Mark 1:15 contrary to your teachings.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

And how do they enter into that kingdom of God? By believing in Jesus Christ since He is the gospel, the Good news to man.

It's time for you to take a break.

I'm not stopping you from taking yours.

May God bless you.

 

[Deleted member 5]

I'm not stopping you from taking yours.

Likewise.