God's Omniscient

[JIM]

In both of these posts of yours, I see the continued tendency to assert the self-contradictory notion that God does things contrary to his own nature.

And I see in your response the continued tendency to assert the false concept of absolute determinism.

 

[JIM]

Right. Scriptures are very clear on this point.

Romans 8:29 For those God foreknew he also predestined...​

Yes.

Not so much what caused it to be but who caused it to be. God knows it and causes it.

God knows what and causes what? What is the "it" you are referring to?

 

[JIM]

So, you don't believe when God foresaw and foreknew, he decreed everything?

No, I do not.

 

[Binyawmene]

God knows what and causes what? What is the "it" you are referring to?

The verse is in context to our Salvation. But in a larger and broader sense. Predestination doesn't mean possible outcomes because of free will. God already known which way man would choose to go and decreed them. Life or death is decreed. Double Predestination is an entirely different discussion which both Molinism and Open Theism must reject.

Jeremiah 10:23 LORD, I know that people’s lives are not their own; it is not for them to direct their steps

Proverbs 16:9 In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps.​

This is not against free will, but God's control is not conforming to the demands of human free will. This doesn't mean a "possible future" or "uncertain future." God knows all things before it happened and it's in alignment to his will. It's passive and both unconscious and awareness, for instance:

Ephesians 2:10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

1 Corinthians 2:9 However, as it is written: What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived the things God has prepared for those who love him​

But keep in mind to not further too much into this and stay on topic of the OP. Thanks.

 

[Binyawmene]

Everyone seem to place God in our 3D + time box.

It is my belief that God being all powerful, knowing and everywhere...includes any point in time.
All of time has already happened for God while at the same instance is happening for God. Of course when you operate outside of time "same instance" isn't the best definition.

Perhaps God is playing wack-a-mole....and knows the order of how the moles will pop up prior to even entering into the arcade.

A crude way of expressing it. But yeah, each action was God’s deliberate plan. God, predetermine what course a kingdom will take (Daniel 2:21, Acts 17:26) and what a person will do (Psalm 139:16, Job 14:5). Even Herod and Pontius Pilate thought it was their idea to conspire against Jesus Christ. But technically that was God underneath the scenes demonstrating his power and will (Acts 4:27-28, 2:23). God determines all future events by his will. The future is known because he decrees it to be so. He is in complete control over all events that occur and will occur in the future. And all human actions are determined in advance for his good pleasure and purpose.

 

[CrowCross]

A crude way of expressing it. But yeah, each action was God’s deliberate plan. God, predetermine what course a kingdom will take (Daniel 2:21, Acts 17:26) and what a person will do (Psalm 139:16, Job 14:5). Even Herod and Pontius Pilate thought it was their idea to conspire against Jesus Christ. But technically that was God underneath the scenes demonstrating his power and will (Acts 4:27-28, 2:23). God determines all future events by his will. The future is known because he decrees it to be so. He is in complete control over all events that occur and will occur in the future. And all human actions are determined in advance for his good pleasure and purpose.

There are many aspects of God the human mind simply cannot comprehend.

It's like asking a worm to understand algebra.