Eternal Justification?

[Arial]

In the sense that you intend it, you are correct, but Gal 3:13 does say, "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole".

That is a place where clear passages on the same subject interpret those less clear. A perfectly righteous man (Jesus) is not cursed. The curse fell on all born in Adam and is made known in Gen 3 and in the Mosaic Law.

 

[brightfame52]

How do you not see this contradicting the other things you have said?

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In another thread you claim we were justified at the cross,

Thats true too and thats b4 faith as well

God's Spirit's comprehension —i.e. the Gospel— as he indwells us, producing valid, active, causal faith)

That is true also in Spiritual conversion, but thats not legal. Justification b4 God is first legal and or forensic outside of the elect sinner, the Spirits application is internal for the comprehension of that which was finished and complte legally and eternally. Now Im not going to keep going over this all the time, maybe you need take a picture of this response sir.

You placed that fact of Christ's substitution as a temporal matter, there and done at the cross, not effective before, necessarily effective afte

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But NOW you are saying it was all of it effective even before the cross! —done before the foundation of the earth.

Christs Suretyship was before the foundation of the world. When do you believe Christ became responsible in the everlasting covenant of Grace for the sins of the elect ? {Deleted by mod for violation of rules 2.1, 2.2,3.2, 4;3}

 

[Arial]

Christs Suretyship was before the foundation of the world. When do you believe Christ became responsible in the everlasting covenant of Grace for the sins of the elect ?

Agreeing to do something and doing it are not the same thing.

Surely your mother taught you that principle early in your life.

 

[brightfame52]

Agreeing to do something and doing it are not the same thing.

I disagree when it comes to the Godhead. When Jesus agreed with the Father to do it, it was His responsibility to come into the world to do it and God looked for Him to do it and He never ever looked for the actual debtors to pay their debt. When Jesus came into the world He was under obligation to pay the sin debt of the elect. You dont believe that ?

 

[brightfame52]

Agreeing to do something and doing it are not the same thing.

Surely your mother taught you that principle early in your life.

Are you saying Jesus could not have been a Surety b4 His incarnation ? Did your mother teach you that principle early in your life ?

 

[Arial]

Are you saying Jesus could not have been a Surety b4 His incarnation ? Did your mother teach you that principle early in your life ?

He purposed to be a surety before his incarnation. He could not be that surety until he performed the duties needed to be the surety. What were the duties of that surety? To lay down his life for his sheep.

My mother taught me that it was not enough to agree to clean my room---the promise was just a promise until I actually cleaned my room. Jesus gave a great example of that principle in Matt 21:28-31.

 

[Arial]

I disagree when it comes to the Godhead. When Jesus agreed with the Father to do it, it was His responsibility to come into the world to do it and God looked for Him to do it and He never ever looked for the actual debtors to pay their debt. When Jesus came into the world He was under obligation to pay the sin debt of the elect. You dont believe that ?

The Godhead is not illogical.

Jesus was not obligated to do anything. He willingly gave his life for his sheep.

I believe Jesus agreed to come into the world as one of us and die in our place to pay our sin debt. I also believe he did that and it was his doing that, that paid the debt. Not his simply his agreeing to do it. It wasn't paid until it was paid.

Do you think any debt is considered paid just because an honest, fully trustworthy person agreed to pay it? It wasn't paid on a wing and a promise. It was paid by paying it.

 

[makesends]

I believe Jesus agreed to come into the world as one of us and die in our place to pay our sin debt. I also believe he did that and it was his doing that, that paid the debt. Not his simply his agreeing to do it. It wasn't paid until it was paid.

Exactly right. There is a difference between betrothed and consummated. Promised and fulfilled.