Easter Celebrations are Worship of the Sun

[Hobie]

....and deep in pagan symbols to say nothing of the rites and rituals. If one looks, they will see the origins of Easter are found in a pagan festival celebration of seasonal renewal that has taken place around the time of the Spring Equinox. The date upon which Easter is held varies from year to year, and corresponds with the first Sunday following the full moon after the Spring Equinox.

Here is a good explanation.. "Easter is one of Christianity’s highest and holiest days, the celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. But the origins of today’s very Christian holiday are firmly rooted in the ancient traditions of pagan religions from many parts of the world. With its blend of solemn religious symbolism and the fun of Easter eggs and bunny rabbits, Easter as we know it is a patchwork of beliefs and practices related to the themes of springtime, rebirth, and renewal....

Easter doesn’t fall on the same date every year. Thus, even this aspect of the holiday is connected with pagan celebrations of the cycles of nature. The vernal equinox marks the time when night and day are of equal length. It’s also a celebration by pagan cultures to welcome the arrival of the long days of spring and summer."

And more..."Easter is a pagan festival. If Easter isn't really about Jesus, then what is it about? Today, we see a secular culture celebrating the spring equinox, whilst religious culture celebrates the resurrection. However, early Christianity made a pragmatic acceptance of ancient pagan practises, most of which we enjoy today at Easter. The general symbolic story of the death of the son (sun) on a cross (the constellation of the Southern Cross) and his rebirth, overcoming the powers of darkness, was a well worn story in the ancient world. There were plenty of parallel, rival resurrected saviours too.

The Sumerian goddess Inanna, or Ishtar, was hung naked on a stake, and was subsequently resurrected and ascended from the underworld. One of the oldest resurrection myths is Egyptian Horus. Born on 25 December, Horus and his damaged eye became symbols of life and rebirth. Mithras was born on what we now call Christmas day, and his followers celebrated the spring equinox. Even as late as the 4th century AD, the sol invictus, associated with Mithras, was the last great pagan cult the church had to overcome. Dionysus was a divine child, resurrected by his grandmother. Dionysus also brought his mum, Semele, back to life.

In an ironic twist, the Cybele cult flourished on today's Vatican Hill. Cybele's lover Attis, was born of a virgin, died and was reborn annually. This spring festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday, rising to a crescendo after three days, in rejoicing over the resurrection. ....."http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/03/easter-pagan-symbolism

 

[Hazelelponi]

What religion are you?

I looked under your name, I looked on your profile and I looked for an introduction thread.

You seem to have hidden what beliefs you follow. Are you a JW or something?

 

[makesends]

You seem to make a logical leap.

If Easter WAS (past tense) about something other than Jesus, how does that translate to "If Easter isn't really about Jesus..."?

 

[Hobie]

What religion are you?

I looked under your name, I looked on your profile and I looked for an introduction thread.

You seem to have hidden what beliefs you follow. Are you a JW or something?

I am SDA if that helps..

 

[Hobie]

You seem to make a logical leap.

If Easter WAS (past tense) about something other than Jesus, how does that translate to "If Easter isn't really about Jesus..."?

Look.up its origins and tell us what you find, it clearly was not the Passover or of Christian origin.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I am SDA if that helps..

Is your OP a denial of the death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior,?

It seemed to indicate to me that your teaching against our risen Savior .. is this what your saying?

 

[makesends]

Look.up its origins and tell us what you find, it clearly was not the Passover or of Christian origin.

You are side-stepping my question, or maybe not reading it. I'm not trying to disprove your thesis that it is of Pagan Origin. I'm questioning the apparent logic, that even if it WAS indeed of pagan origin, what makes it now only a pagan holiday? I've already been through this with friends, who no longer use a Christmas tree, and so on.

To me, it is superstitious to bow the knee to pagan bones, instead of living in the joy of what we now celebrate on those days/seasons.

 

[Hobie]

You are side-stepping my question, or maybe not reading it. I'm not trying to disprove your thesis that it is of Pagan Origin. I'm questioning the apparent logic, that even if it WAS indeed of pagan origin, what makes it now only a pagan holiday? I've already been through this with friends, who no longer use a Christmas tree, and so on.

To me, it is superstitious to bow the knee to pagan bones, instead of living in the joy of what we now celebrate on those days/seasons.

My family is from a Catholic background, so I've seen all the rites and rituals and 'holy days' they bring in, and they are not of Christian origin, but given a 'christianized cover' to hide their pagan origins. Look in history and you will see it was not even during the time of Christ or the Apostles that it began in the church but from Rome, who allowed all these pagan corruption s which were not of Christ, but of paganism to flood into the church.

 

[Arial]

....and deep in pagan symbols to say nothing of the rites and rituals. If one looks, they will see the origins of Easter are found in a pagan festival celebration of seasonal renewal that has taken place around the time of the Spring Equinox. The date upon which Easter is held varies from year to year, and corresponds with the first Sunday following the full moon after the Spring Equinox.

Here is a good explanation.. "Easter is one of Christianity’s highest and holiest days, the celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. But the origins of today’s very Christian holiday are firmly rooted in the ancient traditions of pagan religions from many parts of the world. With its blend of solemn religious symbolism and the fun of Easter eggs and bunny rabbits, Easter as we know it is a patchwork of beliefs and practices related to the themes of springtime, rebirth, and renewal....

Easter doesn’t fall on the same date every year. Thus, even this aspect of the holiday is connected with pagan celebrations of the cycles of nature. The vernal equinox marks the time when night and day are of equal length. It’s also a celebration by pagan cultures to welcome the arrival of the long days of spring and summer."

And more..."Easter is a pagan festival. If Easter isn't really about Jesus, then what is it about? Today, we see a secular culture celebrating the spring equinox, whilst religious culture celebrates the resurrection. However, early Christianity made a pragmatic acceptance of ancient pagan practises, most of which we enjoy today at Easter. The general symbolic story of the death of the son (sun) on a cross (the constellation of the Southern Cross) and his rebirth, overcoming the powers of darkness, was a well worn story in the ancient world. There were plenty of parallel, rival resurrected saviours too.

The Sumerian goddess Inanna, or Ishtar, was hung naked on a stake, and was subsequently resurrected and ascended from the underworld. One of the oldest resurrection myths is Egyptian Horus. Born on 25 December, Horus and his damaged eye became symbols of life and rebirth. Mithras was born on what we now call Christmas day, and his followers celebrated the spring equinox. Even as late as the 4th century AD, the sol invictus, associated with Mithras, was the last great pagan cult the church had to overcome. Dionysus was a divine child, resurrected by his grandmother. Dionysus also brought his mum, Semele, back to life.

In an ironic twist, the Cybele cult flourished on today's Vatican Hill. Cybele's lover Attis, was born of a virgin, died and was reborn annually. This spring festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday, rising to a crescendo after three days, in rejoicing over the resurrection. ....."http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/03/easter-pagan-symbolism

Our Easter is not a pagan festival. It is the Christian Passover, celebrated in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord, who delivers us from the bondage of sin and death. The only people who are worshiping the sun are people who are worshiping the sun. Not Christians celebrating the resurrection of Jesus.

 

[makesends]

My family is from a Catholic background, so I've seen all the rites and rituals and 'holy days' they bring in, and they are not of Christian origin, but given a 'christianized cover' to hide their pagan origins. Look in history and you will see it was not even during the time of Christ or the Apostles that it began in the church but from Rome, who allowed all these pagan corruption s which were not of Christ, but of paganism to flood into the church.

You continue to not hear me. I don't care whether it began as a pagan thing. What I care is what I was brought up believing and what I enjoy, quite apart from any flavor you attempt to throw at it. Did you know that one of the favorite Christian hymns was written on an old bar-room tune? Who cares? Does that make the song corrupt?

 

[QVQ]

The Ressurection has always been at Passover.
However Passover is always on a different date.
NASA discovered there was an eclipse on April 3, yr 33.
It was also Passover as it was a full moon, Nisan 14

Jesus’ crucifixion linked to lunar eclipse, according to NASA discovery — and it could pinpoint the exact day he died

It wasn’t just the heavens weeping.

nypost.com

 

[makesends]

makesends said:
You are side-stepping my question, or maybe not reading it. I'm not trying to disprove your thesis that it is of Pagan Origin. I'm questioning the apparent logic, that even if it WAS indeed of pagan origin, what makes it now only a pagan holiday? I've already been through this with friends, who no longer use a Christmas tree, and so on.

To me, it is superstitious to bow the knee to pagan bones, instead of living in the joy of what we now celebrate on those days/seasons

My family is from a Catholic background, so I've seen all the rites and rituals and 'holy days' they bring in, and they are not of Christian origin, but given a 'christianized cover' to hide their pagan origins. Look in history and you will see it was not even during the time of Christ or the Apostles that it began in the church but from Rome, who allowed all these pagan corruption s which were not of Christ, but of paganism to flood into the church.

SMH

 

[Hobie]

You continue to not hear me. I don't care whether it began as a pagan thing. What I care is what I was brought up believing and what I enjoy, quite apart from any flavor you attempt to throw at it. Did you know that one of the favorite Christian hymns was written on an old bar-room tune? Who cares? Does that make the song corrupt?

If you are brought up believing an idol of wood and stone is to be worshiped as Christ, does it make it so, or does it remain a idol, a graven image?

 

[Hazelelponi]

If you are brought up believing an idol of wood and stone is to be worshiped as Christ, does it make it so, or does it remain a idol, a graven image?

Why are you speaking this on a forum without any Catholics?

Are you trying to argue against the death and resurrection of Christ?

 

[Hobie]

The Ressurection has always been at Passover.
However Passover is always on a different date.
NASA discovered there was an eclipse on April 3, yr 33.
It was also Passover as it was a full moon, Nisan 14

Jesus’ crucifixion linked to lunar eclipse, according to NASA discovery — and it could pinpoint the exact day he died

It wasn’t just the heavens weeping.

nypost.com

Check and you will see that 'Easter' is never ever allowed to fall on Passover, Rome makes sure of that as it is their pagan festival not from Christ...

 

[makesends]

If you are brought up believing an idol of wood and stone is to be worshiped as Christ, does it make it so, or does it remain a idol, a graven image?

What's that got to do with this? "False equivalence", as the saying goes. I don't worship the stupid tree, I don't even worship the tomb, nor the cross, nevermind that I don't have one on me to look at, nor do I worship the day nor the season. I'm not Catholic. Never have been, never will be.

You don't want me to start on what it seems to me like you so superstitiously worship.

I'm thinking this thread needs moved to a different, more appropriate, category/forum.

 

[Hobie]

What's that got to do with this? "False equivalence", as the saying goes. I don't worship the stupid tree, I don't even worship the tomb, nor the cross, nevermind that I don't have one on me to look at, nor do I worship the day nor the season. I'm not Catholic. Never have been, never will be.

You don't want me to start on what it seems to me like you so superstitiously worship.

I'm thinking this thread needs moved to a different, more appropriate, category/forum.

When you get up to see the sun come up, its not about Christ, but the old pagan worship. It doesn't change just because Rome declares it or makes it a 'holy day' on their terms. It is the old rites, rituals and pagan worship of Pagan Rome continued by Papal Rome and brought into the Christian church and allowed to spread with barely a sheen of a cover to hide what they've done..

 

[Hobie]

Truth hurts sometimes, but like when the temple was being defiled by the moneychangers and thieves, what should Christ have done, keep silent?

 

[Arial]

Check and you will see that 'Easter' is never ever allowed to fall on Passover, Rome makes sure of that as it is their pagan festival not from Christ...

That is not what that link says at all. It is speculation about the eclipse trying to tie it to the crucifixion, and never saying why it does or what that would mean. Plus it is from the New York Times reporting on what NASA is speculating about. Which is "Was there a lunar eclipse when Jesus died, and is that why it was dark for three hours?" It is an attempt by secular science "scholars" to remove everything supernatural from the crucifixion. And unless I missed it in my skimming, it never even mentions Rome.

The reason the Jewish Passover date follows the phase of the moon----and it is carried over to dating our Easter----is because the Jews have a lunai-solar calendar.
chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/55194/jewish/Introduction.htm

 

[QVQ]

That is not what that link says at all. It is speculation about the eclipse trying to tie it to the crucifixion,

I agree that the current Passover marks the date of Easter as even if there was an eclipse on the Friday of Passover in the year 33, it is speculation whether that is proof of the events described in the Bible.

The ancient Jewish holdays are based on lunar, not solar. The Israelis have never had holidays or religious ceremonies on equinox or solstice dates.